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ROLL CALL

MINUTES

READ ORDINANCE BY AUDIO

CERTIFICATION OF HEARINGS

AMENDMENTS TO AGENDA

CONSENT AGENDA

PROCLAMATION: 1) EATON REDS DAY, CLASS 3A SOFTBALL STATE CHAMPIONSHIP – DECEMBER 4, 2023

WARRANTS: 1) GENERAL WARRANTS – NOVEMBER 27, AND 28, 2023, AND DECEMBER 1, 2023

NEW BUSINESS: 1) CONSIDER AMENDMENT #1 TO MASTER AGREEMENT FOR TREASURY MANAGEMENT SERVICES AND AUTHORIZE CHAIR TO SIGN – WELLS FARGO BANK, N.A.

2) CONSIDER EXTENSION OF TEMPORARY CLOSURE OF CRS 74 AND 33 INTERSECTION

3) CONSIDER CONTRACT ID #7634 CONFERENCE AND EVENT SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR PREVENTING TARGETED VIOLENCE AND COMBATING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE EXTREMISM WORKSHOP, AND AUTHORIZE CHAIR TO SIGN – UNIVERSITY OF NORTHERN COLORADO (UNC)

4) FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-15, IN THE MATTER OF REPEALING AND REENACTING, WITH AMENDMENTS, CHAPTER 2 ADMINISTRATION OF THE WELD COUNTY CODE (PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS, HEARINGS, AND ADDRESSING)

5) FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-16, IN THE MATTER OF REPEALING AND REENACTING, WITH AMENDMENTS, CHAPTER 8 PUBLIC WORKS OF THE WELD COUNTY CODE

PLANNING: 1) FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18, IN THE MATTER OF REPEALING AND REENACTING, WITH AMENDMENTS, CHAPTER 27 PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OF THE WELD COUNTY CODE

FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18 (CONT'D)

FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18 (CONT'D)

FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18 (CONT'D)

FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18 (CONT'D)

FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18 (CONT'D)

FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18 (CONT'D)

FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18 (CONT'D)

FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18 (CONT'D)

FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18 (CONT'D)

FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18 (CONT'D)

FIRST READING OF CODE ORDINANCE #2023-18 (CONT'D)

PUBLIC COMMENT

Before the Pledge of Allegiance, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it 00:00:31
stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:38
When it's Monday, December 4th, I'll call over the Board of County Commissioners meeting. Apologize for my voice this morning. So 00:00:49
we'll get through it though. 00:00:55
Scott James, Kevin Ross, Mike Freeman. 00:01:01
Appropriate. It really is. You say you're present. It's 1000 years and 1000 dozens and thousand. Your stuff. 00:01:09
Just follow the protocol and you're either here or present. Thank you. Thank you. And we'll move on and we'll move on. 00:01:17
So Minutes, people, of Minutes of November 20th, 2023. 00:01:23
2nd. 00:01:29
Good. Move back to Mr. Brock. Second by Commissioner Ross to approve. All in favor. Aye, opposed motion carries. 00:01:30
The Ordinance by Audio Record Ordinance 23-15. 00:01:37
2/23/16 and 20/20/18 by audio. 00:01:42
Good ordinances by audio. 00:01:47
Second, by Mr. Ross to read by audio. All in favor those motion car. 00:01:50
Certifications appearance he was conducted on November 8th, 123 USR 23-0025. Sounded struggle continued from 11/22/2023. 00:01:57
Mr. Brock second by Commissioner Ross to certify hearings. All in favor. 00:02:08
To Early Consent Agenda 2, item number 200, Consent Agenda Miscellaneous for a partial vacation record exemption. Is there anybody 00:02:18
that wants this item pulled off of the consent agenda? 00:02:23
Same number consent agenda as presented. Move to approve consent agenda as presented second. 00:02:32
Moved by Commissioner Ross, second by Commissioner James to approve the consent agenda as presented. 00:02:38
Aye. Those motion carries for the Commission in Wednesday Classroom softball State championship, December 4th, 2023. And I'm going 00:02:43
to take it. I'm going to take Joe Privileges One and allow Commissioner Ross to read this into the record. Thank you, Commissioner 00:02:48
Ross. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 00:02:54
Today, Monday, December 4th, 2023, whereas the Eaton Reds softball team participated in the Class 3A State Championship game 00:03:00
against the Thomas Jefferson Spartans at Aurora Sports Park on October 21st, 2023 and whereas the word dominant can be used to 00:03:07
describe the Reds performance in the championship game. 00:03:14
Ross took home Player of the Game honors, pitching a no hitter and striking out seven. And whereas Eaton was paced offensively by 00:03:21
senior Destry Griman, who hit a three run home run in the fourth inning to help propel the Reds to an 11 zero victory, their 00:03:27
second consecutive state championship and their third in four years. 00:03:33
And recognize players, coaches and parents for their talents and commitment, which helped make this accomplishment possible. 00:04:09
Signed by all 5 county commissioners. 00:04:14
And I don't know who wants to come up from eating it. Where is your captain or your coach or whatever, but come on up and whatever 00:04:26
you guys would like to say. 00:04:30
Bring the whole team. 00:04:34
Bring the whole team up. 00:04:36
And you can either go to podiums or you can sit for whatever you're most comfortable with. 00:04:43
So First off, I just want to say thank you for this recognition. It's really a wonderful thing that you do for all the schools 00:04:51
and. 00:04:54
In the community, in the area for this recognition and he's going to work really hard this year and that is our second one in a 00:04:57
world. But it was quite a hard, hard effort on all these girls. It was truly A-Team effort. 00:05:04
And the fact that the Dominance partners is quite amazing. I've been doing this now for 21 years and they have a team that goes 00:05:11
through the state tournament and Mercy where every team we played and I gave up four runs in the entire tournament is is quite 00:05:18
something I've never seen in a lot of the the city representatives down there also stated that they don't remember ever seeing it 00:05:24
and that for all their years. So he was quite unimpressive with performance and just proud to be had been their coach. 00:05:30
Anybody want to say something? 00:05:37
Nope. I think, I think we're backing on it. So that's all we got. So I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you. 00:05:39
Congratulations ladies, on obviously what is a spectacular performance. 00:05:48
The fun thing about sports is you'll have those memories with you and that experience with you forever. But trust me that the 00:05:53
performance will eventually fade and says the guy who celebrates a birthday. 00:05:59
And it's a big one. At the end of this week, one thing, there was a time in my life I thought she's would it be fun to put on a 00:06:06
pair of football pads again? Glad to knock heads with Commissioner Ross or something like that. But trust me, that goes away. But 00:06:12
what doesn't go away is the experience. What doesn't go away is the the feeling of we're going to set a goal and we're going to 00:06:18
work towards that goal and we're going to accomplish that goal if we just believe enough that we can. 00:06:25
And trust me, that will stick with you. That will serve you well. Maybe not putting on a fair football pads and knocking heads 00:06:31
with Ross, but that will serve you well the rest of your life. So congratulations, moms and dads, thanks for your commitment to 00:06:36
your kids as well. We celebrate. You deserve it. 00:06:42
Well, I want to congratulate you also. How exciting. So my mother was a eaten graduate in 1951 and I remember going to Greeley 00:06:48
West and she would never pretty much cheer me on. His always cheering on the Eaton Red. Those colors run deep and I'm just so 00:06:54
proud of you. Which one is the picture? 00:07:01
Oh my goodness, how do you do that? 00:07:09
So can't say enough congratulations again. As Commissioner James said, this time in your life, the high school sports, it was 00:07:13
everything to me. And I'm sure it's going to be everything to you as you get older and you'll have the the best memories of all 00:07:19
all that you've accomplished. 00:07:24
And it's impressive dominance doesn't begin to describe what you guys did this season and your state championship tournament 00:08:03
scoring 52 runs, giving up four runs. 00:08:09
Is awful impressive being ranked 44th in the. 00:08:16
Is extremely impressive. My hat's off to you on that. 00:08:20
Your commitment to your sport is amazing. Keep that commitment to anything you do in life. It's going to pay off. Whether it's 00:08:25
college, whether it's your business pursuits after college pursuits, you'll do it. But also take a moment to look around at your 00:08:33
teammates, around you. You have a bond. You have something that's special. No one can take that away from you. Not everybody gets 00:08:40
to host or hoist, Excuse me, a state championship trophy. Yet you guys do. Sometimes it gets taken for granted. Up at TTUN, it's. 00:08:48
Referred to up north, right? But don't take it for granted. There's special moments. 00:08:57
I can't tell you how many times I've been asked if you're my daughter and I'd love to take credit for it, but I don't, right? You 00:09:02
are an amazing athlete. You did an amazing job pitching. Congratulations on being named player of the year. Awesome honors. And 00:09:06
and to that girls congratulations season. Well done. 00:09:11
Mr. 00:09:17
And I agree with Commissioner James and Ross as far as this is, you know, rules and sports. 00:09:19
Usually are the same. Same with mathematics, and you'll take that confidence with you in an arena. Or sometimes the rules are 00:09:26
different. 00:09:30
But whatever you do, work as if you're working unto the Lord, and don't let anybody dampen your light, silence your performance or 00:09:35
your voice. 00:09:39
We're probably so congratulations. I'm certainly glad that Commissioner Jameson puts his football uniform on against Commissioner. 00:09:44
He'd be winded after shooting up. That's OK. 00:09:53
That that you make. And so once again congratulations and enjoy, enjoy the victory. So with that we'd love to take a picture if we 00:10:30
could. 00:10:34
I got my little red. 00:10:40
Sorry. 00:10:56
Make sure you can be seeing. 00:11:12
All right, everybody ready? 00:11:17
123. 00:11:21
123. 00:11:24
Excellent job. Congratulations. 00:11:29
Outstanding. 00:11:38
Thank you. 00:11:41
Who's winning? Just who's we're sucking breath. 00:12:01
I said that's a pretty good turn out, Coach. I said, well, they were excited to get out of school. 00:12:14
I'm going to work General Lawrence, November 27th and 28th, 23 December 1st 2023. 00:12:20
Second moved by Commissioner Ross, seconded by Commissioner Brock to approve all in favor. 00:12:26
New business considered one number one the Master Agreement for Treasury Management Services and authorized Judiciary and Wells 00:12:35
Fargo Fargo Bank, NA. 00:12:38
Good morning. 00:12:44
Good morning, Tracy. 00:12:46
Bridget Graham Treasurer's Office This amendment is the first of two one year extension options for the Wells Fargo Master 00:12:51
Agreement. 00:12:56
For Treasury Management Service Services, which was signed in 2020. 00:13:01
In order for us to maintain all the terms and conditions of that original agreement, primarily pricing and fraud prevention 00:13:08
services, it is our recommendation to exercise this one year extension option. 00:13:15
OK. What are the questions? 00:13:23
Move to approve Second move by Commissioner box, Second by Commissioner James to approve all in favor. Opposed motion carries #2. 00:13:25
Consider extension of temporary closure of 74 and 33 intersection. 00:13:31
Almost there. 00:13:38
We can only hope. Good morning, Commissioners Michael Pidal from Public Works Department and this item. 00:13:41
Is associated with extending the existing Rd. closure of the 3374 intersection. 00:13:48
And we're asking to extend it to February 21st. 00:13:57
Of 24. 00:14:02
The project with the replacement contractor is going very well right now. They're making really good progress and a lot of work is 00:14:07
getting done every day and that contractors. 00:14:12
Working six days a week from sunup to sundown, which is what this project needed to turn it around. 00:14:18
They're currently on day 50 out of 120 of the actual contract time. 00:14:26
And I feel like that's a sufficient amount for this contractor to finish this job. That being said. 00:14:33
Of course Mother Nature can can slow the thing down a large they're able to do the work, but a large Blizzard or a foot of snow is 00:14:41
going to slow things down. But as of right now, things are going quite well, and I'd be glad to answer any questions no one has, 00:14:48
Mr. Wells. 00:14:54
So you said we're on day 50? 00:15:01
50 out of 120, What percentage of concrete has been poured on the project to date? Boy, there I would say. 00:15:04
80% Wow. And they've used. 00:15:12
Yeah, they're. 00:15:16
They can do a lot. There's. 00:15:18
40 people out there working and. 00:15:21
They have their own concrete batch plant and they can get a lot done. 00:15:24
And. 00:15:28
Yeah, we just recently are doing a pay request. 00:15:30
Umm. 00:15:34
Approximately 1/3 of their time was used up and and the pay request was for over 50% of the money and. 00:15:35
The other concrete said about 80% right now. 00:15:43
Impressive. It's going pretty well. Yeah, they have all the equipment needed to do this stuff in the winter, which. 00:15:47
Most contractors don't. 00:15:54
Ground heating machines and blankets. 00:15:57
You know, all kinds of stuff that allows them to be able to do this work in the winter time. 00:16:01
Thank you. Another question. Move to approve and move by Commissioner Bucksecker by Commissioner Laws to approve all in favor aye 00:16:07
those motions. Thanks #3 Consider contract, IE 7634 Conference and Event Services Agreement for an entirely violence and 00:16:14
conducting Domestic Violence Extension workshop and authorized Jurassic University of Northern Colorado. Good morning 00:16:21
Commissioners Christy Video and Dave Wilkebar from the Accounting Office. 00:16:28
The item for you is an agreement with UNC for to contract for some convention or some services for a convention or workshop this 00:16:36
Wednesday for preventing target violence. The workshop is being presented on behalf of the FEMA Region 8, which the county is 00:16:44
serving as a fiscal agent for right now. 00:16:51
So all costs of the confidence will be provided or covered by the grant from the region 8 From FEMA's region 8, so. 00:16:59
We we ask for your approval and if you have any additional questions on the conference date, you can answer them as well. 00:17:08
OK. Any further questions? 00:17:14
Have to prove the resolution, so then move by Commissioner James. I could like Commissioner Ross to approve all in favour opposed 00:17:16
motion case. Thank you. 00:17:20
#4 Push me with Code Ordinance 2023-15 and reenacting with Amendments Chapter 2 Administration of War County Code Planning and 00:17:26
Zoning Matters Hearings and Addressing. Mr. Chairman, I'll go ahead and address this. 00:17:33
This addresses a number of different topics, mainly on general planning matters. 00:17:41
Umm. 00:17:49
The collateral provisions moves them to Chapter 8, so we're taking them out of. 00:17:50
Chapter 2, Moving them to Chapter 8, and we'll hear about that in a few minutes. 00:17:56
It also deals with sort of cleanups on denied applications for land use matters. 00:18:03
We've got some things that we needed to change and say a little bit better. 00:18:11
Next thing would be on legal notice for. 00:18:18
On when we have a change of. 00:18:23
Change of application in essence when they bring that forward and. 00:18:27
Making it so that we have an adequate notice. 00:18:32
There's a variety of other things that we put into this dealing with. 00:18:37
Things that we have to deal with for planning one would be transcripts. How we deal with that, how we get those paid for for 00:18:44
transcripts for both? 00:18:49
Planning but also clerk to the board hearing. So whenever you have a hearing, we need to go ahead and do that pursuant to 106 00:18:57
case. 00:19:01
We have methods in here to do that. 00:19:06
We also included a provision dealing with a disconnection from a municipality. Instead of saying you do it by ordinance, we 00:19:10
basically said do it by the state statute. So that's what this is. Talked about this in a work session. 00:19:18
Like about three or four weeks ago? 00:19:27
Recommend approval. Do you want any questions for? 00:19:29
Public hearing Is anybody in the public wishes to come up and discuss coordinates 24 three dash 15? 00:19:35
Through public input I will close that and bring it back to the board. 00:19:43
Mr. Chair, I would move to approve on 1st. 00:19:48
The Code Ordinance 2023-15 in the matter, Repealing and Reenacting with Amendments. Chapter 2 Administration of the Well County 00:19:51
Code, Planning and Zoning Matters. Hearings and Addressing. 00:19:57
Second, then moved by Commissioner Ross, second by Commissioner James to approve on first Reading Co orders 2023-15, any further 00:20:03
discussion. 00:20:07
Aye motion number six. First one with coordinates 2316. 00:20:12
Chapter I'm Sorry, Chapter Eight, Public Works of the World County Code. 00:20:20
Good morning, Commissioners. 00:20:27
Curtis Hall, Elizabeth Railford and Don Anderson here to talk about the Chapter 8 code changes. We did have a work session on 00:20:33
Monday, November 13th on these changes. Nothing. 00:20:39
Really significant. I don't think it's changed since that. Again, this is Public Works development review, doing a lot of cleanup 00:20:46
items, moving some things around. Elizabeth and Donald dive more into it, but it's really getting ourselves up to speed on how we 00:20:51
do Business Today. 00:20:56
In public works and. 00:21:02
Order things through. So with that, I'll let Elizabeth and Don take over. Good morning, commissioners. Elizabeth Railford Public 00:21:05
works happy, super happy to be able to present all of these code changes to you today. And it has been a lot of work by multiple 00:21:11
staff, obviously not just Donna, myself and Curtis who are sitting before you, but. 00:21:18
Our entire departments and the development review team. So we are really excited to present to you essentially what is reflective 00:21:27
of how we do operations today. 00:21:31
And that's the intent behind these code changes. I wouldn't say that there's anything significant that doesn't align other than 00:21:36
Chapter 8. Sections of it haven't really been reviewed in many years. And so this gave us the opportunity with the code changes 00:21:43
that were presented to you in the ordinance before with Chapter 2, it did create a new article for us. We we did add Article 2 00:21:50
Improvement Agreements to Chapter 8. 00:21:56
That is probably the most significant change of the Chapter 8 code updates that is being presented to you today on first reading. 00:22:04
The intent behind adding Chapter 2 obviously, is that we were taking him, or Article 2 is taking him out of. 00:22:14
The Ord. 00:22:23
Code section to it's also A2. Ironically that was not intentional, but I guess it stays consistent with sticking with Article 2. 00:22:25
But really to better clearly identify the purpose and types and processes for our improvements agreements, we have multiple kinds 00:22:35
that the development review team does. Some of the code changes that needed to occur were because this team who speaks on behalf 00:22:41
of Public Works has been moved into a different department. And so we were trying to clarify that since they're not actually in 00:22:47
Public Works department anymore, but they're still speaking on behalf of the department. 00:22:54
That we just make our language be more of wealth counting, right? Because regardless of what code section it is, we're all Weld 00:23:01
County and we're all unified in one team. So I think that that that's just some of the high level. 00:23:07
Changes that that we were looking at. We were not going to go line by line for you, but we did have a summary, a memo that's 00:23:15
included in Tyler for your your record trying to do a high level of what did we change in in all of the sections. There's quite a 00:23:20
few sections but. 00:23:26
Really the biggest one is appendix 8Q that is Don and her team. Some of the changes, again, I wouldn't necessarily say are 00:23:33
extreme, but again to match how we do business. 00:23:39
We did delete a lot of appendices because they're just outdated and we don't use them anymore. But we didn't renumber them because 00:23:47
we have so many references and other code sections to AQ that we wanted to maintain that without having to go into other code 00:23:53
sections outside of what we're presenting to you today to make those. 00:23:58
Connections. 00:24:04
So I guess with that, Don, I would just turn it over to you. I didn't know if there was anything else you wanted to add an 8Q? 00:24:07
Chapter 8, Q just goes into a little bit more detail or Appendix 8 Qi should say And with that again it was a lot of cleanup 00:24:47
items. I would say to to piggyback on to Elizabeth some of the changes both in in eight and eight Q, just high level. We looked at 00:24:55
access again and just put some better definitions in there to to define what historical access is, legal access and stuff based on 00:25:02
times we went in front of the board for appeal. 00:25:09
On a drainage policy, we also looked at our exceptions and tried to make some changes that would benefit the developers and the 00:25:18
land owners a little bit more in regards to drainage from. 00:25:24
From after we've been seeing when we did the last code change, so we've increased square footage of buildings to try to help with 00:25:30
that, so. 00:25:34
That's kind of a general. 00:25:39
General overview of some high level, but again we're just trying to match 8 as the policy. 00:25:40
Well, you know we've been doing this on a number of policies As we as things change over the years, it makes a lot of sense to 00:25:48
update our policies to actually match the way we're actually doing business. So very thankful for you guys for doing that and just 00:25:54
bringing us back up to speed, I don't know, I don't remember the last time we actually looked at Chapter 8. So, so these are, 00:26:00
these are good, these are good essentially house clean cleanups that actually put us in line with where we need to be. 00:26:06
OK. So you want any questions for Elizabeth or Donna Curtis? 00:26:13
Good house, clean. Thank you. With that, this is a public hearing. Is there anybody in the public that wishes to come forward and 00:26:18
discuss coordinates 2023-16? 00:26:23
Take two Republican photo. close that and I'll bring it back to the board. 00:26:31
Mr. Chair, I'd move to approve on first reading Code Ordinance 2023, Dash 16 in a matter of repealing and reenacting with 00:26:35
amendments Chapter Eight public works of the Weld County Code. 00:26:41
The new by Commissioner Ross, second by Commissioner Buck to prove any further discussion. 00:26:47
Hi, close motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. 00:26:53
That can lose new business. We do have one item on the plane. Number one, first reading Clearance 2023-18, Not repealing and 00:26:59
Reacting with amendments. Chapter 27, Planning and development of the locality code. 00:27:05
Play. 00:27:12
All right, Commissioners. Good morning, Tom Parker, Department of Planning Services. This particular ordinance, Ordinance #23-18, 00:27:16
is the one associated with planned Unit developments. 00:27:21
The Ordinance repeals plan Unit developments from Chapter 27. No Plan Unit developments will be an option. However, the code will 00:27:27
still retain language to accommodate existing PUD in the following ways. 00:27:33
The owners with an existing PUD want to change the allowed uses within the PUD. 00:27:40
They will be able to apply for an amendment without having a survey performed. Since the owners bought into the PUD with the 00:27:45
allowed uses described on the zoning plan, all owners will need to sign to apply for the amendment. The Port of County 00:27:52
Commissioners would need to approve the change and this is under article two of the draft. The second item in here is if two or 00:27:59
more owners want to adjust the lot lines between their properties. 00:28:06
They will be able to apply for an amendment to the final plot. The change would only affect their lots, and they are the only ones 00:28:13
who would be able to sign it. All owners would be notified of the public hearing, it would not affect allowed uses, and the zoning 00:28:19
plat would not be required to be. 00:28:25
Amended The Perry County commissioners would need to approve the change to the final plat, and that's also under Article 2. 00:28:31
The code change will clarify that you have special reviews and zoning permits are allowed in planned unit developments. 00:28:39
But the PUD would require an amendment to allow those uses by. 00:28:47
And then finally, there's an existing PUD that we have out there. It's called BB Draw Farm, also known as Pelican Lake Ranch that 00:28:51
will be allowed to continue with its phase development under the new code that's under Section 27-1-60 of this draft. 00:29:00
Staff has received several letters of correspondence pertaining to this ordinance and copies of that. 00:29:10
That correspondence have been attached. For the record, this ordinance was presented before the Planning Commission on November 00:29:17
7th with the unanimous recommendation not to move forward with repealing Planned Unit developments. 00:29:22
Various reasons were stated, but I had to summarize it in one way. I think the planning commissioners wanted additional time to 00:29:30
discuss this particular ordinance along with Chapter 23 and Chapter 24 dealing with subdivisions under. 00:29:37
A totally separate ordinance. Ordinance #2023, Dash 17. 00:29:46
I think we're planning on holding a stakeholder meeting which has been tentatively scheduled for December 21st. 00:29:53
And I'd be happy to answer any questions from the board. 00:30:00
We're going. 00:30:04
Mr. 00:30:06
Tom, I guess question for you, you're saying? 00:30:09
Planning counseling or excuse me, Planning Commission said to deny this unanimously. Was it? What about October 16th? You brought 00:30:14
this forward to us to remove the PUD? 00:30:19
Umm. 00:30:26
Because they're not working in in Weld County. 00:30:26
So you know, we're still, we got this here, we're going through the process so we can vet the process, listen to concerns or 00:30:32
support from the community. 00:30:38
How did you? 00:30:46
What was your sentiment towards the Planning Commission? 00:30:48
During their time when you were explaining to them why we didn't need the the PUD. Yeah Commissioner, that's a great question. So 00:30:52
if I could go back a couple of years when staff initially sat down and we started talking about planned unit developments in 00:30:57
general. 00:31:02
Started putting together a lot of whiteboarding exercises, white papers on the topic. We believe that planning and developments 00:31:08
just are kind of an antiquated process in the county. Folks that utilize that process have only utilized it really for one reason 00:31:15
and that is to create 9 lots or less and they they zone the property estate. 00:31:23
So typically with planned unit developments, it does provide a lot of flexibility in there where you can have multiple uses and 00:31:31
zoning, but that was never really utilized over the last 10-15 years in particular. 00:31:38
So we thought that, you know, there might be a better process that we could put in place and that's when we started talking about 00:31:45
the major subdivision process to remove. 00:31:50
Plan unit developments to replace it with that. So yes to answer your question, we we did think that having another process other 00:31:55
than planning and developments was appropriate in the county and and we marched forward. We did have a work session with the Board 00:32:02
of County Commissioners on September 7th of last year where we presented the white paper to the board and the concept of major 00:32:09
subdivisions. The direction was to craft all the language. 00:32:16
And that's staff spent from September 7th of last year all the way up to October 3rd. Work selection that we have with the Board 00:32:24
of County Commissioners with that idea in mind. 00:32:29
So we have those two ordinances running together. So when I presented the two ordinances to the Planning Commission, since we had 00:32:34
had conversations with them too about how those were running kind of parallel with each other, with removing planning and 00:32:42
developments and replacing it with a with a different form of subdivisions, they were caught off guard. They didn't. 00:32:50
Have a good understanding of you know why they were bifurcated, so to speak. 00:32:59
So I tried to do my best to explain to them that, hey, this was kind of the history. Yes, we do think that the PUD is an 00:33:05
antiquated process, but we had another process that we were going to replace it with and so. 00:33:12
That that recommendation from them was just more of, hey, we'd like to have further conversations with the Board of County 00:33:20
Commissioners. 00:33:24
And, you know, have some stakeholder meetings. 00:33:28
Someone, I think you said in the last three years, how many PUDS? 00:33:34
We had well, Commission. I don't have all the statistics in front of me, but I would say over the last 20 years, you know there's, 00:33:40
there's. 00:33:44
Been probably 20 plus Puds that have gone through the county. A lot of those were down in the southwest part of the county PE DS 00:33:49
that have now been annexed. Some are still kind of sitting out there or some just never moved forward for one reason or another. 00:33:56
But again I would say the vast majority of planning and developments that have come through the department have been nine months 00:34:02
or less and just First state uses. 00:34:08
Only can I piggyback on that? Any idea? I'm not asking you for a hard stat. I'm not going to hold you to this, Thomas, in the last 00:34:15
three years, like Commissioner Buck saying. 00:34:20
Any idea how many PUD's have been applied for? 00:34:25
We don't have any. I know we've got some in the queue. 00:34:30
I think we might have one or two that have been applied for, but again I think they're nine months or less. We do have some folks 00:34:36
that were waiting to apply for APUD, but you know we had indicated to them that there might be a different process in place. So 00:34:42
they were holding off and submitting those planned unit developments. 00:34:48
So, so, so Thomas got to be honest, this is where I struggle. When we change the code and we did the family farm division, we did 00:34:56
the 9 mod, that's all in our code to do 9 mod subdivisions or less, right, right. It's all in. It's all in that huge code change 00:35:03
that we did a year and a half, two years ago, right. And it's very specific, it is very specific in our comprehensive plan. It is, 00:35:09
it is spelled out that urban subdivisions belong in this college that's in our comp plan and so. 00:35:16
And I don't really go out there and visit with I haven't found anybody that doesn't disagree with me if that's where urban scale 00:35:25
subdivisions need to be. 00:35:29
Is in muscles. 00:35:32
You know as you well know what county does not provide the services that are necessary for urban scale subdivision. We don't have 00:35:35
the franchise contracts for for cable TV, for all those other things that the newest parties have the ability to sign those 00:35:42
franchise contracts and metro districts can't do that, so to many. 00:35:49
And you did. You came to us and said the PUD process is antiquated. We need to get rid of it. We need to. I'm more than willing to 00:35:58
have the conversation. I'm more than willing to have the stakeholder meetings and talk about what 23 and 24 look like going 00:36:05
forward. But I think we need that in a place where it is rock solid with our municipalities that if I want to do this, there's an 00:36:12
IGA or a temporary one contract in place that says when the service was available, virus and misspellings, they agree annexed. 00:36:19
Otherwise I'm not willing to go ahead and continue on and put in future planning commissioners in a position where they're out 00:36:27
with Helen Park and. 00:36:31
Then some of these other ones that we all know about that are that are ongoing nightmare for us as a board. I just don't, I think 00:36:37
that's unfair if you're going to go there. So why do you have a stakeholder needs? I do think the beauty process needs to go away. 00:36:43
It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't work. 00:36:49
And you can tell I will be supporting really not today. We can have those stakeholders, we can figure this out going forward, but. 00:36:56
1500 Home subdivisions does not make sense in unincorporated locality. They need to be in the most college where the services are 00:37:05
provided and. 00:37:09
Obviously, obviously, welcome does not and will not in the future provide those services. 00:37:13
So we're already having a conversation, but that's where I'm. 00:37:20
Any other questions or discussion? OK, this is a public hearing. Is anybody the public would like to come forward? Please come on 00:37:26
up and state your new address. For the record, you got up for three minutes. And Commissioner Ross? 00:37:31
Joey O'clock. 00:37:37
Thank you, commissioners. Andrew Dodging, 81, Two E Barwood Blvd. Centennial Co. But I'm here on behalf of the side family. Albert 00:37:43
and Conrad are here. The sisters were not able to make it. They live at County Road 2 and 15 in Wall County in the southwest area 00:37:50
you guys mentioned earlier. 00:37:57
We believe that repealing the PD rules without putting the subdivision rules in place by limit subdivision development of five 00:38:04
homes, which is basically nothing for most developments. 00:38:10
The Planning Commission acknowledges when they unanimously divide, you know, recommending this coming in front of the county 00:38:17
commissioners. 00:38:21
Currently, the planning department does not have a timeline for completion of the subdivision. Updated rules where all the 00:38:25
subdivisions be greater than five homes. Actually I believe it's nine. There are 9 lot subdivision process. 00:38:32
You know, I talked to the planning department this morning. They said it didn't have a timeline. So that's all I'm going by. 00:38:38
Actually, Director Parker just said we have a nine month, So yes, Commissioner, so, so Chapter 24 as it exists right now does have 00:38:45
a minor subdivision process built into it for nine months or less. 00:38:50
Yes, but for five homes, correct. Well, you you can have up to nine months, you know 11 home on each. 00:38:57
So the. 00:39:06
County for over 80 years. 00:39:09
We're about 300 acres. It is in the path of development coming from Adams County from the S 3rd is not willing to annex the 00:39:11
property because they have their own issues, you know, with the with the county. So that's not a possibility for them. 00:39:18
Time. 00:39:26
And they're ready to retire, and they want to enjoy the hard work that their family has done for Wall County over the years. 00:39:27
If this ordinance passes without an update of subdivision rules, we believe it will stop them to be able to sell their farm, which 00:39:34
is actually in the contract at this time. 00:39:39
But there's mixed-use developments into APD scenario. That's what they want to see in Arapahoe County, so. 00:40:15
PUD's are not outdated. Many other counties use Puds for development. 00:40:21
Where Ammunist Parliament are going to take over for them, but they have to find the services which we're worried about to make 00:40:27
sure that they can make their PD work. It's not 100% dependent on the candidate to supply the services. These developers want to 00:40:32
find them in a different way and it is possible. 00:40:38
So we would ask you not to approve Ordinance 20/23/18 without a revision in the subdivision rules. Thank you. Thank you. 00:40:44
Any other public. 00:40:53
Yes, Sir. Please just get your own address for record. My name is Mike calling 28242 County Road 10, Keysburg. I would just want 00:40:57
to clarify, is the stakeholder meeting on the 21st front commitment or is that going to happen? Yes, it's already on the calendar, 00:41:06
correct on, yes. And I would just like to have the concept of the real cluster. We can consider that at that time as well, OK. 00:41:14
Thank you. 00:41:23
Good morning. 00:41:31
Thank you, commissioners. My name is Kelly Schramm and I'm at 8071 Lighthouse Lane in Windsor. But today I am representing the 00:41:33
Home Builders Association in Northern Colorado. 00:41:38
We represent 300 members made-up of 71 builders, remodelers, developers and others who are supporting the home building industry 00:41:44
in Northern Colorado. 00:41:49
I do have some concerns that we do have some concerns with Ordinance 20/23/18. 00:41:56
And that is that we did not hear about the, we were not involved in any discussion or contacted regarding the ordinance and what 00:42:01
those impacts would be until just prior to the the Planning Commission meeting. 00:42:08
Now you're considering an ordinance that has far reaching impacts on property owners, home builders, citizens and the economy and 00:42:17
in Weld County, and it would be ideal to develop only in municipalities or incorporated towns. 00:42:25
However, we all know that Wall County is not made-up that way. There's a lot of areas that are adjacent and that do not. 00:42:34
Aren't slated to become part of those municipalities. So with that's one concern and with that I would also. 00:42:43
Encourage you to wait on approving that ordinance until you have an opportunity to visit and meet with more of those stakeholders, 00:42:53
especially the property owners. 00:42:58
I had an example that was a reception just a few weeks ago with a former elected official in Larimer County. 00:43:05
And he was talking about wanting to add notices, a little bit different situation, but he was wanting to add in addition to his 00:43:14
home so his parents could live with him and he could take care of them in their age. However, or another builder that was with me, 00:43:20
he said you can't do that. That's not an org that's been passed in an ordinance that denies that you cannot make that addition 00:43:25
happen. 00:43:31
So here's an example of a homeowner, the person who owns a property, wanting to improve his property and is unable to do that 00:43:37
because of an ordinance that was passed. 00:43:42
I would like to have us have some time to discuss this with another opportunity options and make sure there are things in place 00:43:47
that make it possible for you know, homeowners and land owners to develop their property in a way that it sees fit, as well as 00:43:53
adding additional housing units for what are needed in the county. 00:44:00
Yeah, I appreciate that because we have, it's not only an issue with the administration in the county, but it's also an issue with 00:44:45
the citizens that we all have to make it work. So we're willing to help out. I understand that. And that's why we'll have 00:44:50
stakeholding meetings and we'll have meetings schedule. 00:44:55
And secondly that they could activism was and everyone actually set second room for March 4th. However that could also be 00:45:00
continued that could be continued just like we did. I think we continued the pipeline ordinances for maybe over a year to actually 00:45:07
got through a spot that it made sense that actually worked for everybody so. 00:45:13
This isn't about getting in a hurry. It's about getting a right. Yep. But we need it on the table. That's why it's on the agenda 00:45:21
today. 00:45:23
Thank you for public comment. Thanks. 00:45:28
Play. 00:45:36
Learning commissioners. 00:45:37
I'm Matt Hingle with the West Side property investment Company, 3100 E Mississippi Ave. Ste. 500, Denver, Co 802 Four Six. 00:45:39
After what you just said there, Commissioner Freeman, we appreciate that. I was, you know, here to say that there hadn't been 00:45:50
really the stakeholder meetings, the discussions we like to see. I think that's what Planning Commission was worried about as 00:45:54
well. 00:45:58
Hearing you say that gives me a lot of faith that we can find a path for everybody you have. You have my guarantee that those 00:46:03
meetings will take place. 00:46:07
We need to continue as we will, OK. And part of that you know it was it was kind of mentioned earlier but. 00:46:11
We fully understand that where possible, new developments should go to municipalities. There are certain properties that have 00:46:18
water and sewer that. 00:46:22
Are kind of in no man's land between jurisdictions that are willing to annex to those areas for whatever reason. 00:46:28
So I think there's unique, unique situations that are directly in the path of growth. 00:46:35
Where a PUD or subdivision might might make sense. And we just want to make sure that there's some process for us to come to you 00:46:42
and say, hey look what we can do, look at the quality of this development. It's got not only housing, but manufacturing, 00:46:47
industrial, we we build all different types of developments. So we just want to, we just want there to be a process to let us show 00:46:53
you what we can do. 00:46:59
So appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. OK. Any other public comment? 00:47:05
Morning, Rich. 00:47:10
Morning. 00:47:11
My name is Rich Warner, President of State Colorado. 00:47:14
I may be actually representing the Department of Redundancy today because I think you've covered everything that was in my 00:47:18
comments. 00:47:22
I will just very briefly. 00:47:27
Say I'm here, the Upstate board has not taken a position on this matter but wanted to actually come here to encourage the 00:47:30
stakeholder process which you have made quite clear that will be enacted through this, through this, this process as it was in 00:47:35
previous. 00:47:40
Things to a point in the current PUD language. In Section 4 it says encourage a more efficient. 00:47:46
Use of land and economic provisions of public and private services to reflect changes in land development so that the results may 00:47:54
benefit the Community as a whole. 00:47:58
Went back and as I was looking at your code, this particular section of your code has not been updated since 2010. 00:48:03
So I applaud the commissioners for taking a look and seeing what works today, most importantly. 00:48:11
In my role at Upstate, I want to encourage the stakeholder process particularly. I know this is primarily a residential issue, but 00:48:19
keeping in mind industrial and commercial uses for property as well. And lastly. 00:48:26
I also want to show my appreciation for the county to not pit projects between the county and communities and municipalities. We 00:48:35
see that quite often and we hope that this this process will rectify some of those those situations. Thank you for your time. 00:48:43
OK. Any other comment? 00:48:54
Good morning. Thank you. County commissioners, My name is Caleb Susan, 1305 Willow Way, Windsor, Co under building Code Guru and 00:49:00
representing her Empower the Humber Association as the Government Affairs Committee chair. And you know we're repetitive to you, 00:49:08
but just wanted to say we're looking for participating in the stakeholder process that you laid out and encourage you not to 00:49:15
repeal the POD process until there is a subdivision process ready for approval at that time. So it doesn't leave our stakeholders. 00:49:22
With a gap where there's not an approved process, then move forward so. 00:49:30
Thank you for, you know, the timeline you laid out as well and we look forward to participating in the December 21st stakeholder 00:49:34
meeting. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Any other public comment? 00:49:39
Good morning, commissioners. Mark Salvo with the Real Estate Group, 2005 Howard Smith Ave. E, Windsor, Co Again, just would like 00:49:52
to echo what the group has been saying here. Look forward to the upcoming stakeholder process. And just want to note that you know 00:49:58
of the things that we own and control about 300 acres are within the county and because of some existing agreements could make 00:50:05
annexing to local municipalities challenging and that is industrial and commercial property. So this is not just a residential 00:50:11
issue but also. 00:50:18
Industrial and commercial. So we're looking forward to be part of the process as it's laid out going forward. Thank you. 00:50:25
Appreciate you participating. OK. Any other public comment? 00:50:33
Good morning, Commissioners. Councillor Beckford with AD Professionals, 3050 67th Ave. Greeley Co. 00:50:43
We're in support of moving the subdivision changes in the PD simultaneously. 00:50:50
And would request that you're not bifurcate them. We understand that the path for what the subdivision changes might take hasn't 00:50:56
really been fully formed. 00:51:01
And so we will be prudent to wait until we have those stakeholder meetings and let the community get a real feel. 00:51:06
For what has also been happened with the subdivision codes would be the responsible way to to pursue this matter. Thank you. 00:51:14
Any other public comment? 00:51:22
OK. So you know further public comment, I will close that. I will bring it back to the board for any further discussion. 00:51:27
Further discussion. 00:51:36
I've asked for a stakeholder. 00:51:38
And or at least a public works session discuss all three chapters at once that has been denied. 00:51:41
That should have been done prior to this first hearing. My feeling is that this hold up is is really suspending private property 00:51:48
rights, especially if you consider that money is time. 00:51:53
And which is basically a form of inverse condemnation. 00:51:59
And holding the guillotine over a common development product. So I will be a note today on any continuances. I'll be another day 00:52:04
period on this first reading. 00:52:08
I think we should have had that stakeholder meeting ahead of time. 10 homes is not Urban Development and this has nothing to do 00:52:14
with cable TV. 00:52:17
This is about farmers. This is about people who are providing those products. And I'll just remind you of PUD is enshrined in law 00:52:21
in Colorado Tile 24. Some of the things it says is in the legislative declaration. 00:52:28
Has encouraged innovations in residential, commercial and industrial and development. 00:52:36
And renewals, that the growing demands of the population may be met by a greater variety and design, type and layout of buildings, 00:52:41
and also to lessen the burden of traffic on the streets and highways, especially if you can situate certain things close where 00:52:45
people can work. 00:52:50
Close to where they live. Those innovations may not have been tested as much in Weld County because we are still somewhat of a 00:52:55
rural county, but that time is changing and people are demanding a different type of product. I would say that these are not 00:53:01
antiquated since they're using all the counties around us. It isn't state law. I don't think we should declare that this moment in 00:53:07
time, I'm not willing to get rid of a product that people, obviously. 00:53:12
Intend to use for the best and highest use of their property and as well County, we've always encouraged that. We've always 00:53:19
encouraged options. 00:53:23
So with that, I'm going to be a number on anything other than denial. 00:53:28
Of the structuring code. 00:53:33
And I appreciate your comments on that Commissioner saying and I'm going to go back to it was director Tom Parker, the king does 00:53:36
in a work session and said feedies are an advocated process. We need to get this out of our code. We need to move on with this. 00:53:41
That was his recommendation, not mine. 00:53:46
And so. 00:53:53
We have a lot of confidence in what time does and what he says to us and I'm taking his recommendation and as I said earlier, this 00:53:54
is his first reading. There's plenty of opportunities for this completely. The changes we go through and it makes sense. We've 00:54:00
always done this. We have a first reading through our first reading and then we go our board sessions and stakeholder means and we 00:54:05
figure out where it is we need to go. So I would be supporting this this morning. 00:54:10
Mr. James Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think this is an overdue conversations conversation we need to have because what we're talking 00:54:16
about is a heart soul of well County, what we want Weld County to look like. 00:54:22
And as Commissioner saying said at one time this was solely a rural county and trust me, parts where you live and up and beyond 00:54:28
still is a rural county. But my neck of the woods there is a a changing sediment and so I do believe that we need to to find a 00:54:34
way. 00:54:40
As director, Parker recommended perhaps few days. Not the way, but what I don't think is right of of this board or any other 00:54:48
governmental entity is to create uncertainty. 00:54:54
I have been proud of the government that I've been a part of, including this one, but in in Johnstown, as a planning Commissioner 00:54:59
of of a council member and a mayor to to make sure that the process that we created was predictable and certain. 00:55:05
Business thrives in predictability and uncertainty, so we need to get to a point where our process is predictable and certain. 00:55:12
And provides. 00:55:21
The housing needs that are demanded by the market now there is so much consternation and conversation about urban style 00:55:23
subdivisions and I pulled up our comprehensive plan and it's right here in front of me exactly what you said those are, Mr. 00:55:28
Freeman. It's more specific urban scale residential government belongs to municipalities airport, the county shell. Discourage. 00:55:33
That's it. Forbid. 00:55:37
Shall discourage residential developments with more than nine lots or overlay density. 00:55:42
These are the conversations that we need to have because Weld County as it currently stands is not geared to provide those urban 00:55:48
services. We've seen it provided in Douglas County and parts of Jefferson County, but well County is not there and we need to have 00:55:53
extensive conversation amongst the Board of County Commissioners and with our municipalities and and with with with the 00:55:59
stakeholders as to what. 00:56:04
What is? 00:56:10
I believe we should move towards. 00:56:13
Reading the the plan development from our code, that is the recommendation of our of our department, the department head. I also 00:56:16
think that it's irresponsible to to create that kind of. 00:56:23
That unpredictability, that uncertainty that we see puts folks on pins and needles. I I asked Tom put together this this 00:56:30
stakeholder work session. It's not even work session to the stakeholder meeting. 00:56:35
On 12/21, thanks Tom, for getting that accommodated. Please come so we can hear from you and have those conversations and I'm 00:56:40
certain it won't be the only conversation that we have. 00:56:45
And Commissioner James, I don't disagree with you at all, and you've been there not quite as long as you. 00:57:25
But we have consistently opportunities on first meeting and then right back in the if we continue the pipeline on the movement of 00:57:33
this, I think we continue that pipeline ordinance probably for over a year. 00:57:38
Let me get whoever actually got through the end of that. So I don't have a problem with that. But I think it's only fair that it's 00:57:45
amateur and it's a proven patient and a conversation can then go forward and that's we're on that. And my I say that there's been 00:57:52
a lot of talk about public process. What we're doing today is the is the proper public prize. Brooks actions are certainly open to 00:57:59
the public but they are not to but this is the public process is noticeable and this is the public process. 00:58:06
And what we do today is, is important and that's why in this public meeting we can say 1221 is a stakeholder meeting, Tom. I hope 00:58:14
we'll put together more after that so we can continue to have that ongoing conversation. 00:58:19
With our municipalities, with our stakeholders and I, I could ramble on and on, but I do want to mention the CPA and we have all 00:58:25
talked about how darned important that is to make sure that we have those conversations with our 32 or 33 municipalities where 00:58:33
we're at now to make sure that we dance well with them as well. Yes, commissioners, just I wanted to go on the record that yes, my 00:58:40
recommendation this whole time was to remove planning and developments from the code. 00:58:47
But that was. 00:58:55
Assuming that we were going to replace the planning and developments with the major subdivision process. 00:58:57
I've been moving along for a better part of two years. 00:59:05
Until we figure out the rest of it, but I think that it's important that we get that on the table and done like we've all the same 00:59:40
process we've always done around here. 00:59:44
Well, and I feel. 00:59:49
As far as the stakeholder meetings, the municipalities need to be at the table. I mean, this is as much to do with them. 00:59:53
As it has the county, because I'm not gonna get enough competition. 01:00:01
With this subdivision that well counties doing versus what the municipalities are doing. So we have got to be in concert And so 01:00:05
that is probably what I'm hoping to get out of this more than anything. 01:00:11
Commission, and I just want to reiterate, this is not also providing water or sewer to anyone at all, so I just want to make sure 01:00:20
that comment is on the record. 01:00:25
We discourage, but also again as you say, don't prohibit if somebody in like we just had somebody talk to us today about having 01:00:32
water and sewer already available. 01:00:37
So that they can develop their their land. 01:00:43
Essentially what what you're doing is when you're holding up that development. 01:00:48
People cannot. 01:00:54
Like they would in a process if we still allowed that particular development to move forward. 01:00:56
The right and just to don't know on this today and then continue to have our conversations. Otherwise again you're taking away 01:01:03
somebody's ability to develop their property in highest and best use. So no, this is not like other ordinances, Mr. Chair. 01:01:09
We do a lot of ordinances that have nothing to do with keeping people from developing their land and the way that they see fit 01:01:16
that will benefit other human beings. That's why we encourage development, that's why we've always encouraged development. So I 01:01:22
would say this is not like the others. And yes, we've had stakeholder sessions before. We have gone to a first reading. So again, 01:01:28
I would encourage a no vote on this. First reading coordinates 20/23/18. In fact, I'll make that motion now well and and I'll and 01:01:34
that's fine. 01:01:40
And and that and based on that you're also going to have to go back and completely and change our comp plan because our comp plan 01:01:46
is specifically says Urban Development belongs in municipalities, it's in our comp plan and you report that. 01:01:53
Not have a good definition of urban, apparently if Ten homes is considered urban, but that's wrong. 01:01:59
So, Commissioner Ross, I'm sorry. 01:02:06
Best and highest used referred to multiple times this morning, my understanding of best and highest use. It's a definition brought 01:02:40
forth by the Realtors association, and it refers to what that property is currently zoned for. 01:02:47
See, nothing guarantees something needs to change their zone or change their use outside of what it's currently zoned for. So when 01:02:54
we look at that and it's just like anybody coming forth to us when they want to rezone their property or or change the use of it, 01:03:00
that's not a guarantee, that's not a right. It's asking for a change compared to what they have. So that's why we go through this 01:03:06
whole process to make sure it's harmonious with the area, make sure we're setting up proper planning for not just today but for 01:03:12
the long term view. 01:03:18
Of the county, so it will keep well county growing. 01:03:25
Keep it vibrant and make sure it is done right. I think to echo your sentiments, Mr. Chair, so that when it's 20 years down the 01:03:28
road or 40 years down the road, we don't have commissioners going, what in the blankety blank were those folks thinking, right, 01:03:35
because this is this is not working. So it's important that we set up future success. The other part of that because of this urban 01:03:43
scale development when you go to the comp plan under Section 22230 B 3. 01:03:51
It is very particular in that saying that we need to force them to the municipalities when we're looking at large scale urban 01:03:59
scale residential development. So it is imperative, which I'll echo Commissioner James''s comments that we get those Cpas, those 01:04:05
IGA with our municipalities review strengthened. Mr. Parker, who I talked to you about this in previous meetings, right. This is 01:04:11
imperative because this is how we make sure we're conforming with the area, how that area looks. It's not the heavy hand of the 01:04:18
county striking. 01:04:24
Areas for what they're going to look like or not look like in that regard without being respectful of our communities that are 01:04:31
around there. So I think those are imperative, but this is that process that we get kicked off so that we can have everybody at 01:04:36
the table. 01:04:41
Get their opinions right, think of stuff we haven't thought of, think of stuff planning department hasn't thought of and make sure 01:04:47
it's under consideration as we move this forward. So I I think it is important that we that we continue on the first reading. I do 01:04:54
like the extension at least until March, March 4th. So we can do it if we need to. We extend it out even further like we've done 01:05:02
on on other issues so that it's not a rush but this process gets started with not a small room of people. 01:05:09
That may have heard about a work session, but as large a group as we can so that we get that that feedback in place. Now what I do 01:05:17
get? 01:05:22
Nervous Commissioner James, I heard you talk about uncertainty, right? Is just that uncertainty that we have right now, right? 01:05:27
You, you, you, you may or may not know. You know, I came from that that development world to a degree and and developers do get 01:05:34
uncertain with finances, right, when we look at it so. 01:05:41
I want to make sure we are certain and I don't want to put dollars in jeopardy because. 01:05:48
It is possible. You need to consider. 01:05:53
What we do at this moment? 01:05:57
So that we don't have somebody bring forth a plan. 01:06:00
Tomorrow or this afternoon, whenever that's not going to be consistent with hopefully what we're doing. So I think we need to take 01:06:03
that into consideration as we move forward with this so that we aren't jeopardizing, jeopardizing those dollars, right. And so I 01:06:08
mean. 01:06:14
If we need to consider a pending ordinance, Dr. Maybe that's something we need to consider as well so that we don't jeopardize 01:06:20
those dollars or those projects. Why we're getting this run. I would fully support that as well. And I think, Bruce, you said you 01:06:24
had the language for that. 01:06:29
To all of you, it's the language that would be added. I think on page 17. The ordinance is another. 01:06:33
Be it further Ord. 01:06:42
Provision analysis sent a copy to. 01:06:45
And to clerk to the board. 01:06:49
OK. 01:06:55
OK, so we so you need a motion to. 01:06:57
1st ordinance, 2023 Dash. 01:07:03
07. 01:07:11
OK, give me one more second. That does for lack of a second, I will come back to another motion. 01:07:13
Thank you, Chair. 01:07:20
I move we approve first reading of Code Ordinance 2O23-18 in the matter of repealing and reenacting with amendments Chapter 27, 01:07:23
Planned Unit Development of the Well County Code. 01:07:28
Second, by Commissioner Ross to approve and I said. 01:07:41
Commissioner James, A question about to the the POD POD language that the attorney sent. 01:07:49
Do we need to amend our ordinance to to be inclusive of that? 01:07:57
I think you need you've got the motion the second I think you need a motion to amend it to include that, for example, for exactly 01:08:02
what Mr. Ross said, so that you don't get people's money involved in this until they actually get this sorted out. 01:08:08
I will amend my motion. 01:08:17
To include that language on page 17. 01:08:20
You know, and I can read this in if you go ahead. Thank you, you're through. Resolved by the Board. The Defending Ordinance 01:08:24
document is recognized by the Colorado Court of Appeals in the case of Fred and Diamond versus Hazler 41 Colorado App. Two, 35585, 01:08:31
P 2 D 928 Colorado Application 1978 shall apply to this ordinance 2023 Dash 18 and the Royal County Department of Planning 01:08:39
Services hereby directed at beginning this day of first reading. 01:08:46
December 4th, 2023 and accepted no applicants to change the zoning to append pending the outcome of this ordinance 2023 Dash 18. 01:08:54
You need to move the better amend. 01:09:03
I moved to accept the amended amendment or the motion. 01:09:05
I moved by Commissioner Box, second by Commissioner Ross to include the pending ordinance. Dr. Do you have any further discussion? 01:09:13
Please do everything else. No. I would just need a vote on that first and then a vote on the other motion. 01:09:20
We'll first have, we'll first have a motion on the amendment. 01:09:27
For the pending ordinance document. 01:09:32
We. 01:09:35
Yes, if this is the mind PUD is based on the outcome of this ordinance, yes, I'm going to be able to. Well, it's not, it's this is 01:09:38
the motion to include the Penny Board in this document. Roll call please. 01:09:42
Sky. 01:09:48
I despise the POD. 01:09:52
No. 01:09:55
Kevin. 01:09:56
Yes. What are you saying? No, carry back. Yes. Mike Freeman, Yes. OK. The payment, and I understand that yesterday I give it, but 01:09:58
this is one of the situations where I think we're protecting people. So the fellow knows doctrine passes on us. For you to vote 01:10:05
now I need a motion to approve the resolution as amended with attending doctrine. 01:10:11
Depending ordinance, doctrine included. 01:10:19
I move to approve. 01:10:23
Second, then move back Commissioner Brock. Second by Commissioner Ross to approve. 01:10:24
Commission. 01:10:31
Everything I said, I believe and I believe in the process that we're getting there, I just. 01:10:33
I have. I struggled with pod. I therefore will not be. 01:10:38
But you spoke, but I I believe in what we've discussed today and how we're going to get there. 01:10:43
Scott, James. 01:10:50
Kevin Ross, Yes. What are you saying? No payback? Yes, Mike Freeman, not that I reflect that the ordinance passes on the three, 01:10:52
two vote. 01:10:56
Any further comments from anybody that I see no further business. We will don't wait. I'm sorry, we won't adjourn. We were in 01:11:02
planning and we will go to public comment. Is anybody in the public that wishes to come up and speak to the commissioner for up to 01:11:06
3 minutes? It's not on our agenda. 01:11:11
My name is Joe Grant and I'm from Gray. So what happened just a while back I was at the Greeley City Council meeting that I was, I 01:11:29
kind of went a little bit early. My really, I was in one of the seats and I kept moving back, moving back, moving back because the 01:11:34
place kept filling up with people from super. 01:11:39
And I thought, that's what's all the people doing. They have issues here for. They had a big deal. Just a couple of miles West of 01:11:45
here. The city wanted to annex Cedar Lake. The people from Cedar Lake were there. Apparently they didn't want the. 01:11:52
So I asked that agreement Why? Why aren't the people in Sydney want to join up with me? I mean, I think **** Marper used to live 01:11:59
out there. 01:12:02
That apparently one of the city people told me. Well, because those people get all sorts of city services and they don't pay for. 01:12:07
Where they have the city tax structure that other people get. I know well, I guess it's you know if you can get on that greater 01:12:14
trade, it's OK, but this is going to be an issue as. 01:12:18
I think, Commissioner Buchanan, are so many cities are going to have to participate in this. This is not just going to be somebody 01:12:24
from like Ed Grant from Baker School area or the CV Lake people or something. If you're going to try to do this, you're going to 01:12:29
have to have a lot more stakeholders than you think, probably. Thank you. 01:12:34
OK. Any other public comment? 01:12:41
OK. Seeing none, we will adjourn at 1012. Thanks everybody. 01:12:43
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Before the Pledge of Allegiance, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it 00:00:31
stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:38
When it's Monday, December 4th, I'll call over the Board of County Commissioners meeting. Apologize for my voice this morning. So 00:00:49
we'll get through it though. 00:00:55
Scott James, Kevin Ross, Mike Freeman. 00:01:01
Appropriate. It really is. You say you're present. It's 1000 years and 1000 dozens and thousand. Your stuff. 00:01:09
Just follow the protocol and you're either here or present. Thank you. Thank you. And we'll move on and we'll move on. 00:01:17
So Minutes, people, of Minutes of November 20th, 2023. 00:01:23
2nd. 00:01:29
Good. Move back to Mr. Brock. Second by Commissioner Ross to approve. All in favor. Aye, opposed motion carries. 00:01:30
The Ordinance by Audio Record Ordinance 23-15. 00:01:37
2/23/16 and 20/20/18 by audio. 00:01:42
Good ordinances by audio. 00:01:47
Second, by Mr. Ross to read by audio. All in favor those motion car. 00:01:50
Certifications appearance he was conducted on November 8th, 123 USR 23-0025. Sounded struggle continued from 11/22/2023. 00:01:57
Mr. Brock second by Commissioner Ross to certify hearings. All in favor. 00:02:08
To Early Consent Agenda 2, item number 200, Consent Agenda Miscellaneous for a partial vacation record exemption. Is there anybody 00:02:18
that wants this item pulled off of the consent agenda? 00:02:23
Same number consent agenda as presented. Move to approve consent agenda as presented second. 00:02:32
Moved by Commissioner Ross, second by Commissioner James to approve the consent agenda as presented. 00:02:38
Aye. Those motion carries for the Commission in Wednesday Classroom softball State championship, December 4th, 2023. And I'm going 00:02:43
to take it. I'm going to take Joe Privileges One and allow Commissioner Ross to read this into the record. Thank you, Commissioner 00:02:48
Ross. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 00:02:54
Today, Monday, December 4th, 2023, whereas the Eaton Reds softball team participated in the Class 3A State Championship game 00:03:00
against the Thomas Jefferson Spartans at Aurora Sports Park on October 21st, 2023 and whereas the word dominant can be used to 00:03:07
describe the Reds performance in the championship game. 00:03:14
Ross took home Player of the Game honors, pitching a no hitter and striking out seven. And whereas Eaton was paced offensively by 00:03:21
senior Destry Griman, who hit a three run home run in the fourth inning to help propel the Reds to an 11 zero victory, their 00:03:27
second consecutive state championship and their third in four years. 00:03:33
And recognize players, coaches and parents for their talents and commitment, which helped make this accomplishment possible. 00:04:09
Signed by all 5 county commissioners. 00:04:14
And I don't know who wants to come up from eating it. Where is your captain or your coach or whatever, but come on up and whatever 00:04:26
you guys would like to say. 00:04:30
Bring the whole team. 00:04:34
Bring the whole team up. 00:04:36
And you can either go to podiums or you can sit for whatever you're most comfortable with. 00:04:43
So First off, I just want to say thank you for this recognition. It's really a wonderful thing that you do for all the schools 00:04:51
and. 00:04:54
In the community, in the area for this recognition and he's going to work really hard this year and that is our second one in a 00:04:57
world. But it was quite a hard, hard effort on all these girls. It was truly A-Team effort. 00:05:04
And the fact that the Dominance partners is quite amazing. I've been doing this now for 21 years and they have a team that goes 00:05:11
through the state tournament and Mercy where every team we played and I gave up four runs in the entire tournament is is quite 00:05:18
something I've never seen in a lot of the the city representatives down there also stated that they don't remember ever seeing it 00:05:24
and that for all their years. So he was quite unimpressive with performance and just proud to be had been their coach. 00:05:30
Anybody want to say something? 00:05:37
Nope. I think, I think we're backing on it. So that's all we got. So I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you. 00:05:39
Congratulations ladies, on obviously what is a spectacular performance. 00:05:48
The fun thing about sports is you'll have those memories with you and that experience with you forever. But trust me that the 00:05:53
performance will eventually fade and says the guy who celebrates a birthday. 00:05:59
And it's a big one. At the end of this week, one thing, there was a time in my life I thought she's would it be fun to put on a 00:06:06
pair of football pads again? Glad to knock heads with Commissioner Ross or something like that. But trust me, that goes away. But 00:06:12
what doesn't go away is the experience. What doesn't go away is the the feeling of we're going to set a goal and we're going to 00:06:18
work towards that goal and we're going to accomplish that goal if we just believe enough that we can. 00:06:25
And trust me, that will stick with you. That will serve you well. Maybe not putting on a fair football pads and knocking heads 00:06:31
with Ross, but that will serve you well the rest of your life. So congratulations, moms and dads, thanks for your commitment to 00:06:36
your kids as well. We celebrate. You deserve it. 00:06:42
Well, I want to congratulate you also. How exciting. So my mother was a eaten graduate in 1951 and I remember going to Greeley 00:06:48
West and she would never pretty much cheer me on. His always cheering on the Eaton Red. Those colors run deep and I'm just so 00:06:54
proud of you. Which one is the picture? 00:07:01
Oh my goodness, how do you do that? 00:07:09
So can't say enough congratulations again. As Commissioner James said, this time in your life, the high school sports, it was 00:07:13
everything to me. And I'm sure it's going to be everything to you as you get older and you'll have the the best memories of all 00:07:19
all that you've accomplished. 00:07:24
And it's impressive dominance doesn't begin to describe what you guys did this season and your state championship tournament 00:08:03
scoring 52 runs, giving up four runs. 00:08:09
Is awful impressive being ranked 44th in the. 00:08:16
Is extremely impressive. My hat's off to you on that. 00:08:20
Your commitment to your sport is amazing. Keep that commitment to anything you do in life. It's going to pay off. Whether it's 00:08:25
college, whether it's your business pursuits after college pursuits, you'll do it. But also take a moment to look around at your 00:08:33
teammates, around you. You have a bond. You have something that's special. No one can take that away from you. Not everybody gets 00:08:40
to host or hoist, Excuse me, a state championship trophy. Yet you guys do. Sometimes it gets taken for granted. Up at TTUN, it's. 00:08:48
Referred to up north, right? But don't take it for granted. There's special moments. 00:08:57
I can't tell you how many times I've been asked if you're my daughter and I'd love to take credit for it, but I don't, right? You 00:09:02
are an amazing athlete. You did an amazing job pitching. Congratulations on being named player of the year. Awesome honors. And 00:09:06
and to that girls congratulations season. Well done. 00:09:11
Mr. 00:09:17
And I agree with Commissioner James and Ross as far as this is, you know, rules and sports. 00:09:19
Usually are the same. Same with mathematics, and you'll take that confidence with you in an arena. Or sometimes the rules are 00:09:26
different. 00:09:30
But whatever you do, work as if you're working unto the Lord, and don't let anybody dampen your light, silence your performance or 00:09:35
your voice. 00:09:39
We're probably so congratulations. I'm certainly glad that Commissioner Jameson puts his football uniform on against Commissioner. 00:09:44
He'd be winded after shooting up. That's OK. 00:09:53
That that you make. And so once again congratulations and enjoy, enjoy the victory. So with that we'd love to take a picture if we 00:10:30
could. 00:10:34
I got my little red. 00:10:40
Sorry. 00:10:56
Make sure you can be seeing. 00:11:12
All right, everybody ready? 00:11:17
123. 00:11:21
123. 00:11:24
Excellent job. Congratulations. 00:11:29
Outstanding. 00:11:38
Thank you. 00:11:41
Who's winning? Just who's we're sucking breath. 00:12:01
I said that's a pretty good turn out, Coach. I said, well, they were excited to get out of school. 00:12:14
I'm going to work General Lawrence, November 27th and 28th, 23 December 1st 2023. 00:12:20
Second moved by Commissioner Ross, seconded by Commissioner Brock to approve all in favor. 00:12:26
New business considered one number one the Master Agreement for Treasury Management Services and authorized Judiciary and Wells 00:12:35
Fargo Fargo Bank, NA. 00:12:38
Good morning. 00:12:44
Good morning, Tracy. 00:12:46
Bridget Graham Treasurer's Office This amendment is the first of two one year extension options for the Wells Fargo Master 00:12:51
Agreement. 00:12:56
For Treasury Management Service Services, which was signed in 2020. 00:13:01
In order for us to maintain all the terms and conditions of that original agreement, primarily pricing and fraud prevention 00:13:08
services, it is our recommendation to exercise this one year extension option. 00:13:15
OK. What are the questions? 00:13:23
Move to approve Second move by Commissioner box, Second by Commissioner James to approve all in favor. Opposed motion carries #2. 00:13:25
Consider extension of temporary closure of 74 and 33 intersection. 00:13:31
Almost there. 00:13:38
We can only hope. Good morning, Commissioners Michael Pidal from Public Works Department and this item. 00:13:41
Is associated with extending the existing Rd. closure of the 3374 intersection. 00:13:48
And we're asking to extend it to February 21st. 00:13:57
Of 24. 00:14:02
The project with the replacement contractor is going very well right now. They're making really good progress and a lot of work is 00:14:07
getting done every day and that contractors. 00:14:12
Working six days a week from sunup to sundown, which is what this project needed to turn it around. 00:14:18
They're currently on day 50 out of 120 of the actual contract time. 00:14:26
And I feel like that's a sufficient amount for this contractor to finish this job. That being said. 00:14:33
Of course Mother Nature can can slow the thing down a large they're able to do the work, but a large Blizzard or a foot of snow is 00:14:41
going to slow things down. But as of right now, things are going quite well, and I'd be glad to answer any questions no one has, 00:14:48
Mr. Wells. 00:14:54
So you said we're on day 50? 00:15:01
50 out of 120, What percentage of concrete has been poured on the project to date? Boy, there I would say. 00:15:04
80% Wow. And they've used. 00:15:12
Yeah, they're. 00:15:16
They can do a lot. There's. 00:15:18
40 people out there working and. 00:15:21
They have their own concrete batch plant and they can get a lot done. 00:15:24
And. 00:15:28
Yeah, we just recently are doing a pay request. 00:15:30
Umm. 00:15:34
Approximately 1/3 of their time was used up and and the pay request was for over 50% of the money and. 00:15:35
The other concrete said about 80% right now. 00:15:43
Impressive. It's going pretty well. Yeah, they have all the equipment needed to do this stuff in the winter, which. 00:15:47
Most contractors don't. 00:15:54
Ground heating machines and blankets. 00:15:57
You know, all kinds of stuff that allows them to be able to do this work in the winter time. 00:16:01
Thank you. Another question. Move to approve and move by Commissioner Bucksecker by Commissioner Laws to approve all in favor aye 00:16:07
those motions. Thanks #3 Consider contract, IE 7634 Conference and Event Services Agreement for an entirely violence and 00:16:14
conducting Domestic Violence Extension workshop and authorized Jurassic University of Northern Colorado. Good morning 00:16:21
Commissioners Christy Video and Dave Wilkebar from the Accounting Office. 00:16:28
The item for you is an agreement with UNC for to contract for some convention or some services for a convention or workshop this 00:16:36
Wednesday for preventing target violence. The workshop is being presented on behalf of the FEMA Region 8, which the county is 00:16:44
serving as a fiscal agent for right now. 00:16:51
So all costs of the confidence will be provided or covered by the grant from the region 8 From FEMA's region 8, so. 00:16:59
We we ask for your approval and if you have any additional questions on the conference date, you can answer them as well. 00:17:08
OK. Any further questions? 00:17:14
Have to prove the resolution, so then move by Commissioner James. I could like Commissioner Ross to approve all in favour opposed 00:17:16
motion case. Thank you. 00:17:20
#4 Push me with Code Ordinance 2023-15 and reenacting with Amendments Chapter 2 Administration of War County Code Planning and 00:17:26
Zoning Matters Hearings and Addressing. Mr. Chairman, I'll go ahead and address this. 00:17:33
This addresses a number of different topics, mainly on general planning matters. 00:17:41
Umm. 00:17:49
The collateral provisions moves them to Chapter 8, so we're taking them out of. 00:17:50
Chapter 2, Moving them to Chapter 8, and we'll hear about that in a few minutes. 00:17:56
It also deals with sort of cleanups on denied applications for land use matters. 00:18:03
We've got some things that we needed to change and say a little bit better. 00:18:11
Next thing would be on legal notice for. 00:18:18
On when we have a change of. 00:18:23
Change of application in essence when they bring that forward and. 00:18:27
Making it so that we have an adequate notice. 00:18:32
There's a variety of other things that we put into this dealing with. 00:18:37
Things that we have to deal with for planning one would be transcripts. How we deal with that, how we get those paid for for 00:18:44
transcripts for both? 00:18:49
Planning but also clerk to the board hearing. So whenever you have a hearing, we need to go ahead and do that pursuant to 106 00:18:57
case. 00:19:01
We have methods in here to do that. 00:19:06
We also included a provision dealing with a disconnection from a municipality. Instead of saying you do it by ordinance, we 00:19:10
basically said do it by the state statute. So that's what this is. Talked about this in a work session. 00:19:18
Like about three or four weeks ago? 00:19:27
Recommend approval. Do you want any questions for? 00:19:29
Public hearing Is anybody in the public wishes to come up and discuss coordinates 24 three dash 15? 00:19:35
Through public input I will close that and bring it back to the board. 00:19:43
Mr. Chair, I would move to approve on 1st. 00:19:48
The Code Ordinance 2023-15 in the matter, Repealing and Reenacting with Amendments. Chapter 2 Administration of the Well County 00:19:51
Code, Planning and Zoning Matters. Hearings and Addressing. 00:19:57
Second, then moved by Commissioner Ross, second by Commissioner James to approve on first Reading Co orders 2023-15, any further 00:20:03
discussion. 00:20:07
Aye motion number six. First one with coordinates 2316. 00:20:12
Chapter I'm Sorry, Chapter Eight, Public Works of the World County Code. 00:20:20
Good morning, Commissioners. 00:20:27
Curtis Hall, Elizabeth Railford and Don Anderson here to talk about the Chapter 8 code changes. We did have a work session on 00:20:33
Monday, November 13th on these changes. Nothing. 00:20:39
Really significant. I don't think it's changed since that. Again, this is Public Works development review, doing a lot of cleanup 00:20:46
items, moving some things around. Elizabeth and Donald dive more into it, but it's really getting ourselves up to speed on how we 00:20:51
do Business Today. 00:20:56
In public works and. 00:21:02
Order things through. So with that, I'll let Elizabeth and Don take over. Good morning, commissioners. Elizabeth Railford Public 00:21:05
works happy, super happy to be able to present all of these code changes to you today. And it has been a lot of work by multiple 00:21:11
staff, obviously not just Donna, myself and Curtis who are sitting before you, but. 00:21:18
Our entire departments and the development review team. So we are really excited to present to you essentially what is reflective 00:21:27
of how we do operations today. 00:21:31
And that's the intent behind these code changes. I wouldn't say that there's anything significant that doesn't align other than 00:21:36
Chapter 8. Sections of it haven't really been reviewed in many years. And so this gave us the opportunity with the code changes 00:21:43
that were presented to you in the ordinance before with Chapter 2, it did create a new article for us. We we did add Article 2 00:21:50
Improvement Agreements to Chapter 8. 00:21:56
That is probably the most significant change of the Chapter 8 code updates that is being presented to you today on first reading. 00:22:04
The intent behind adding Chapter 2 obviously, is that we were taking him, or Article 2 is taking him out of. 00:22:14
The Ord. 00:22:23
Code section to it's also A2. Ironically that was not intentional, but I guess it stays consistent with sticking with Article 2. 00:22:25
But really to better clearly identify the purpose and types and processes for our improvements agreements, we have multiple kinds 00:22:35
that the development review team does. Some of the code changes that needed to occur were because this team who speaks on behalf 00:22:41
of Public Works has been moved into a different department. And so we were trying to clarify that since they're not actually in 00:22:47
Public Works department anymore, but they're still speaking on behalf of the department. 00:22:54
That we just make our language be more of wealth counting, right? Because regardless of what code section it is, we're all Weld 00:23:01
County and we're all unified in one team. So I think that that that's just some of the high level. 00:23:07
Changes that that we were looking at. We were not going to go line by line for you, but we did have a summary, a memo that's 00:23:15
included in Tyler for your your record trying to do a high level of what did we change in in all of the sections. There's quite a 00:23:20
few sections but. 00:23:26
Really the biggest one is appendix 8Q that is Don and her team. Some of the changes, again, I wouldn't necessarily say are 00:23:33
extreme, but again to match how we do business. 00:23:39
We did delete a lot of appendices because they're just outdated and we don't use them anymore. But we didn't renumber them because 00:23:47
we have so many references and other code sections to AQ that we wanted to maintain that without having to go into other code 00:23:53
sections outside of what we're presenting to you today to make those. 00:23:58
Connections. 00:24:04
So I guess with that, Don, I would just turn it over to you. I didn't know if there was anything else you wanted to add an 8Q? 00:24:07
Chapter 8, Q just goes into a little bit more detail or Appendix 8 Qi should say And with that again it was a lot of cleanup 00:24:47
items. I would say to to piggyback on to Elizabeth some of the changes both in in eight and eight Q, just high level. We looked at 00:24:55
access again and just put some better definitions in there to to define what historical access is, legal access and stuff based on 00:25:02
times we went in front of the board for appeal. 00:25:09
On a drainage policy, we also looked at our exceptions and tried to make some changes that would benefit the developers and the 00:25:18
land owners a little bit more in regards to drainage from. 00:25:24
From after we've been seeing when we did the last code change, so we've increased square footage of buildings to try to help with 00:25:30
that, so. 00:25:34
That's kind of a general. 00:25:39
General overview of some high level, but again we're just trying to match 8 as the policy. 00:25:40
Well, you know we've been doing this on a number of policies As we as things change over the years, it makes a lot of sense to 00:25:48
update our policies to actually match the way we're actually doing business. So very thankful for you guys for doing that and just 00:25:54
bringing us back up to speed, I don't know, I don't remember the last time we actually looked at Chapter 8. So, so these are, 00:26:00
these are good, these are good essentially house clean cleanups that actually put us in line with where we need to be. 00:26:06
OK. So you want any questions for Elizabeth or Donna Curtis? 00:26:13
Good house, clean. Thank you. With that, this is a public hearing. Is there anybody in the public that wishes to come forward and 00:26:18
discuss coordinates 2023-16? 00:26:23
Take two Republican photo. close that and I'll bring it back to the board. 00:26:31
Mr. Chair, I'd move to approve on first reading Code Ordinance 2023, Dash 16 in a matter of repealing and reenacting with 00:26:35
amendments Chapter Eight public works of the Weld County Code. 00:26:41
The new by Commissioner Ross, second by Commissioner Buck to prove any further discussion. 00:26:47
Hi, close motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. 00:26:53
That can lose new business. We do have one item on the plane. Number one, first reading Clearance 2023-18, Not repealing and 00:26:59
Reacting with amendments. Chapter 27, Planning and development of the locality code. 00:27:05
Play. 00:27:12
All right, Commissioners. Good morning, Tom Parker, Department of Planning Services. This particular ordinance, Ordinance #23-18, 00:27:16
is the one associated with planned Unit developments. 00:27:21
The Ordinance repeals plan Unit developments from Chapter 27. No Plan Unit developments will be an option. However, the code will 00:27:27
still retain language to accommodate existing PUD in the following ways. 00:27:33
The owners with an existing PUD want to change the allowed uses within the PUD. 00:27:40
They will be able to apply for an amendment without having a survey performed. Since the owners bought into the PUD with the 00:27:45
allowed uses described on the zoning plan, all owners will need to sign to apply for the amendment. The Port of County 00:27:52
Commissioners would need to approve the change and this is under article two of the draft. The second item in here is if two or 00:27:59
more owners want to adjust the lot lines between their properties. 00:28:06
They will be able to apply for an amendment to the final plot. The change would only affect their lots, and they are the only ones 00:28:13
who would be able to sign it. All owners would be notified of the public hearing, it would not affect allowed uses, and the zoning 00:28:19
plat would not be required to be. 00:28:25
Amended The Perry County commissioners would need to approve the change to the final plat, and that's also under Article 2. 00:28:31
The code change will clarify that you have special reviews and zoning permits are allowed in planned unit developments. 00:28:39
But the PUD would require an amendment to allow those uses by. 00:28:47
And then finally, there's an existing PUD that we have out there. It's called BB Draw Farm, also known as Pelican Lake Ranch that 00:28:51
will be allowed to continue with its phase development under the new code that's under Section 27-1-60 of this draft. 00:29:00
Staff has received several letters of correspondence pertaining to this ordinance and copies of that. 00:29:10
That correspondence have been attached. For the record, this ordinance was presented before the Planning Commission on November 00:29:17
7th with the unanimous recommendation not to move forward with repealing Planned Unit developments. 00:29:22
Various reasons were stated, but I had to summarize it in one way. I think the planning commissioners wanted additional time to 00:29:30
discuss this particular ordinance along with Chapter 23 and Chapter 24 dealing with subdivisions under. 00:29:37
A totally separate ordinance. Ordinance #2023, Dash 17. 00:29:46
I think we're planning on holding a stakeholder meeting which has been tentatively scheduled for December 21st. 00:29:53
And I'd be happy to answer any questions from the board. 00:30:00
We're going. 00:30:04
Mr. 00:30:06
Tom, I guess question for you, you're saying? 00:30:09
Planning counseling or excuse me, Planning Commission said to deny this unanimously. Was it? What about October 16th? You brought 00:30:14
this forward to us to remove the PUD? 00:30:19
Umm. 00:30:26
Because they're not working in in Weld County. 00:30:26
So you know, we're still, we got this here, we're going through the process so we can vet the process, listen to concerns or 00:30:32
support from the community. 00:30:38
How did you? 00:30:46
What was your sentiment towards the Planning Commission? 00:30:48
During their time when you were explaining to them why we didn't need the the PUD. Yeah Commissioner, that's a great question. So 00:30:52
if I could go back a couple of years when staff initially sat down and we started talking about planned unit developments in 00:30:57
general. 00:31:02
Started putting together a lot of whiteboarding exercises, white papers on the topic. We believe that planning and developments 00:31:08
just are kind of an antiquated process in the county. Folks that utilize that process have only utilized it really for one reason 00:31:15
and that is to create 9 lots or less and they they zone the property estate. 00:31:23
So typically with planned unit developments, it does provide a lot of flexibility in there where you can have multiple uses and 00:31:31
zoning, but that was never really utilized over the last 10-15 years in particular. 00:31:38
So we thought that, you know, there might be a better process that we could put in place and that's when we started talking about 00:31:45
the major subdivision process to remove. 00:31:50
Plan unit developments to replace it with that. So yes to answer your question, we we did think that having another process other 00:31:55
than planning and developments was appropriate in the county and and we marched forward. We did have a work session with the Board 00:32:02
of County Commissioners on September 7th of last year where we presented the white paper to the board and the concept of major 00:32:09
subdivisions. The direction was to craft all the language. 00:32:16
And that's staff spent from September 7th of last year all the way up to October 3rd. Work selection that we have with the Board 00:32:24
of County Commissioners with that idea in mind. 00:32:29
So we have those two ordinances running together. So when I presented the two ordinances to the Planning Commission, since we had 00:32:34
had conversations with them too about how those were running kind of parallel with each other, with removing planning and 00:32:42
developments and replacing it with a with a different form of subdivisions, they were caught off guard. They didn't. 00:32:50
Have a good understanding of you know why they were bifurcated, so to speak. 00:32:59
So I tried to do my best to explain to them that, hey, this was kind of the history. Yes, we do think that the PUD is an 00:33:05
antiquated process, but we had another process that we were going to replace it with and so. 00:33:12
That that recommendation from them was just more of, hey, we'd like to have further conversations with the Board of County 00:33:20
Commissioners. 00:33:24
And, you know, have some stakeholder meetings. 00:33:28
Someone, I think you said in the last three years, how many PUDS? 00:33:34
We had well, Commission. I don't have all the statistics in front of me, but I would say over the last 20 years, you know there's, 00:33:40
there's. 00:33:44
Been probably 20 plus Puds that have gone through the county. A lot of those were down in the southwest part of the county PE DS 00:33:49
that have now been annexed. Some are still kind of sitting out there or some just never moved forward for one reason or another. 00:33:56
But again I would say the vast majority of planning and developments that have come through the department have been nine months 00:34:02
or less and just First state uses. 00:34:08
Only can I piggyback on that? Any idea? I'm not asking you for a hard stat. I'm not going to hold you to this, Thomas, in the last 00:34:15
three years, like Commissioner Buck saying. 00:34:20
Any idea how many PUD's have been applied for? 00:34:25
We don't have any. I know we've got some in the queue. 00:34:30
I think we might have one or two that have been applied for, but again I think they're nine months or less. We do have some folks 00:34:36
that were waiting to apply for APUD, but you know we had indicated to them that there might be a different process in place. So 00:34:42
they were holding off and submitting those planned unit developments. 00:34:48
So, so, so Thomas got to be honest, this is where I struggle. When we change the code and we did the family farm division, we did 00:34:56
the 9 mod, that's all in our code to do 9 mod subdivisions or less, right, right. It's all in. It's all in that huge code change 00:35:03
that we did a year and a half, two years ago, right. And it's very specific, it is very specific in our comprehensive plan. It is, 00:35:09
it is spelled out that urban subdivisions belong in this college that's in our comp plan and so. 00:35:16
And I don't really go out there and visit with I haven't found anybody that doesn't disagree with me if that's where urban scale 00:35:25
subdivisions need to be. 00:35:29
Is in muscles. 00:35:32
You know as you well know what county does not provide the services that are necessary for urban scale subdivision. We don't have 00:35:35
the franchise contracts for for cable TV, for all those other things that the newest parties have the ability to sign those 00:35:42
franchise contracts and metro districts can't do that, so to many. 00:35:49
And you did. You came to us and said the PUD process is antiquated. We need to get rid of it. We need to. I'm more than willing to 00:35:58
have the conversation. I'm more than willing to have the stakeholder meetings and talk about what 23 and 24 look like going 00:36:05
forward. But I think we need that in a place where it is rock solid with our municipalities that if I want to do this, there's an 00:36:12
IGA or a temporary one contract in place that says when the service was available, virus and misspellings, they agree annexed. 00:36:19
Otherwise I'm not willing to go ahead and continue on and put in future planning commissioners in a position where they're out 00:36:27
with Helen Park and. 00:36:31
Then some of these other ones that we all know about that are that are ongoing nightmare for us as a board. I just don't, I think 00:36:37
that's unfair if you're going to go there. So why do you have a stakeholder needs? I do think the beauty process needs to go away. 00:36:43
It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't work. 00:36:49
And you can tell I will be supporting really not today. We can have those stakeholders, we can figure this out going forward, but. 00:36:56
1500 Home subdivisions does not make sense in unincorporated locality. They need to be in the most college where the services are 00:37:05
provided and. 00:37:09
Obviously, obviously, welcome does not and will not in the future provide those services. 00:37:13
So we're already having a conversation, but that's where I'm. 00:37:20
Any other questions or discussion? OK, this is a public hearing. Is anybody the public would like to come forward? Please come on 00:37:26
up and state your new address. For the record, you got up for three minutes. And Commissioner Ross? 00:37:31
Joey O'clock. 00:37:37
Thank you, commissioners. Andrew Dodging, 81, Two E Barwood Blvd. Centennial Co. But I'm here on behalf of the side family. Albert 00:37:43
and Conrad are here. The sisters were not able to make it. They live at County Road 2 and 15 in Wall County in the southwest area 00:37:50
you guys mentioned earlier. 00:37:57
We believe that repealing the PD rules without putting the subdivision rules in place by limit subdivision development of five 00:38:04
homes, which is basically nothing for most developments. 00:38:10
The Planning Commission acknowledges when they unanimously divide, you know, recommending this coming in front of the county 00:38:17
commissioners. 00:38:21
Currently, the planning department does not have a timeline for completion of the subdivision. Updated rules where all the 00:38:25
subdivisions be greater than five homes. Actually I believe it's nine. There are 9 lot subdivision process. 00:38:32
You know, I talked to the planning department this morning. They said it didn't have a timeline. So that's all I'm going by. 00:38:38
Actually, Director Parker just said we have a nine month, So yes, Commissioner, so, so Chapter 24 as it exists right now does have 00:38:45
a minor subdivision process built into it for nine months or less. 00:38:50
Yes, but for five homes, correct. Well, you you can have up to nine months, you know 11 home on each. 00:38:57
So the. 00:39:06
County for over 80 years. 00:39:09
We're about 300 acres. It is in the path of development coming from Adams County from the S 3rd is not willing to annex the 00:39:11
property because they have their own issues, you know, with the with the county. So that's not a possibility for them. 00:39:18
Time. 00:39:26
And they're ready to retire, and they want to enjoy the hard work that their family has done for Wall County over the years. 00:39:27
If this ordinance passes without an update of subdivision rules, we believe it will stop them to be able to sell their farm, which 00:39:34
is actually in the contract at this time. 00:39:39
But there's mixed-use developments into APD scenario. That's what they want to see in Arapahoe County, so. 00:40:15
PUD's are not outdated. Many other counties use Puds for development. 00:40:21
Where Ammunist Parliament are going to take over for them, but they have to find the services which we're worried about to make 00:40:27
sure that they can make their PD work. It's not 100% dependent on the candidate to supply the services. These developers want to 00:40:32
find them in a different way and it is possible. 00:40:38
So we would ask you not to approve Ordinance 20/23/18 without a revision in the subdivision rules. Thank you. Thank you. 00:40:44
Any other public. 00:40:53
Yes, Sir. Please just get your own address for record. My name is Mike calling 28242 County Road 10, Keysburg. I would just want 00:40:57
to clarify, is the stakeholder meeting on the 21st front commitment or is that going to happen? Yes, it's already on the calendar, 00:41:06
correct on, yes. And I would just like to have the concept of the real cluster. We can consider that at that time as well, OK. 00:41:14
Thank you. 00:41:23
Good morning. 00:41:31
Thank you, commissioners. My name is Kelly Schramm and I'm at 8071 Lighthouse Lane in Windsor. But today I am representing the 00:41:33
Home Builders Association in Northern Colorado. 00:41:38
We represent 300 members made-up of 71 builders, remodelers, developers and others who are supporting the home building industry 00:41:44
in Northern Colorado. 00:41:49
I do have some concerns that we do have some concerns with Ordinance 20/23/18. 00:41:56
And that is that we did not hear about the, we were not involved in any discussion or contacted regarding the ordinance and what 00:42:01
those impacts would be until just prior to the the Planning Commission meeting. 00:42:08
Now you're considering an ordinance that has far reaching impacts on property owners, home builders, citizens and the economy and 00:42:17
in Weld County, and it would be ideal to develop only in municipalities or incorporated towns. 00:42:25
However, we all know that Wall County is not made-up that way. There's a lot of areas that are adjacent and that do not. 00:42:34
Aren't slated to become part of those municipalities. So with that's one concern and with that I would also. 00:42:43
Encourage you to wait on approving that ordinance until you have an opportunity to visit and meet with more of those stakeholders, 00:42:53
especially the property owners. 00:42:58
I had an example that was a reception just a few weeks ago with a former elected official in Larimer County. 00:43:05
And he was talking about wanting to add notices, a little bit different situation, but he was wanting to add in addition to his 00:43:14
home so his parents could live with him and he could take care of them in their age. However, or another builder that was with me, 00:43:20
he said you can't do that. That's not an org that's been passed in an ordinance that denies that you cannot make that addition 00:43:25
happen. 00:43:31
So here's an example of a homeowner, the person who owns a property, wanting to improve his property and is unable to do that 00:43:37
because of an ordinance that was passed. 00:43:42
I would like to have us have some time to discuss this with another opportunity options and make sure there are things in place 00:43:47
that make it possible for you know, homeowners and land owners to develop their property in a way that it sees fit, as well as 00:43:53
adding additional housing units for what are needed in the county. 00:44:00
Yeah, I appreciate that because we have, it's not only an issue with the administration in the county, but it's also an issue with 00:44:45
the citizens that we all have to make it work. So we're willing to help out. I understand that. And that's why we'll have 00:44:50
stakeholding meetings and we'll have meetings schedule. 00:44:55
And secondly that they could activism was and everyone actually set second room for March 4th. However that could also be 00:45:00
continued that could be continued just like we did. I think we continued the pipeline ordinances for maybe over a year to actually 00:45:07
got through a spot that it made sense that actually worked for everybody so. 00:45:13
This isn't about getting in a hurry. It's about getting a right. Yep. But we need it on the table. That's why it's on the agenda 00:45:21
today. 00:45:23
Thank you for public comment. Thanks. 00:45:28
Play. 00:45:36
Learning commissioners. 00:45:37
I'm Matt Hingle with the West Side property investment Company, 3100 E Mississippi Ave. Ste. 500, Denver, Co 802 Four Six. 00:45:39
After what you just said there, Commissioner Freeman, we appreciate that. I was, you know, here to say that there hadn't been 00:45:50
really the stakeholder meetings, the discussions we like to see. I think that's what Planning Commission was worried about as 00:45:54
well. 00:45:58
Hearing you say that gives me a lot of faith that we can find a path for everybody you have. You have my guarantee that those 00:46:03
meetings will take place. 00:46:07
We need to continue as we will, OK. And part of that you know it was it was kind of mentioned earlier but. 00:46:11
We fully understand that where possible, new developments should go to municipalities. There are certain properties that have 00:46:18
water and sewer that. 00:46:22
Are kind of in no man's land between jurisdictions that are willing to annex to those areas for whatever reason. 00:46:28
So I think there's unique, unique situations that are directly in the path of growth. 00:46:35
Where a PUD or subdivision might might make sense. And we just want to make sure that there's some process for us to come to you 00:46:42
and say, hey look what we can do, look at the quality of this development. It's got not only housing, but manufacturing, 00:46:47
industrial, we we build all different types of developments. So we just want to, we just want there to be a process to let us show 00:46:53
you what we can do. 00:46:59
So appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. OK. Any other public comment? 00:47:05
Morning, Rich. 00:47:10
Morning. 00:47:11
My name is Rich Warner, President of State Colorado. 00:47:14
I may be actually representing the Department of Redundancy today because I think you've covered everything that was in my 00:47:18
comments. 00:47:22
I will just very briefly. 00:47:27
Say I'm here, the Upstate board has not taken a position on this matter but wanted to actually come here to encourage the 00:47:30
stakeholder process which you have made quite clear that will be enacted through this, through this, this process as it was in 00:47:35
previous. 00:47:40
Things to a point in the current PUD language. In Section 4 it says encourage a more efficient. 00:47:46
Use of land and economic provisions of public and private services to reflect changes in land development so that the results may 00:47:54
benefit the Community as a whole. 00:47:58
Went back and as I was looking at your code, this particular section of your code has not been updated since 2010. 00:48:03
So I applaud the commissioners for taking a look and seeing what works today, most importantly. 00:48:11
In my role at Upstate, I want to encourage the stakeholder process particularly. I know this is primarily a residential issue, but 00:48:19
keeping in mind industrial and commercial uses for property as well. And lastly. 00:48:26
I also want to show my appreciation for the county to not pit projects between the county and communities and municipalities. We 00:48:35
see that quite often and we hope that this this process will rectify some of those those situations. Thank you for your time. 00:48:43
OK. Any other comment? 00:48:54
Good morning. Thank you. County commissioners, My name is Caleb Susan, 1305 Willow Way, Windsor, Co under building Code Guru and 00:49:00
representing her Empower the Humber Association as the Government Affairs Committee chair. And you know we're repetitive to you, 00:49:08
but just wanted to say we're looking for participating in the stakeholder process that you laid out and encourage you not to 00:49:15
repeal the POD process until there is a subdivision process ready for approval at that time. So it doesn't leave our stakeholders. 00:49:22
With a gap where there's not an approved process, then move forward so. 00:49:30
Thank you for, you know, the timeline you laid out as well and we look forward to participating in the December 21st stakeholder 00:49:34
meeting. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Any other public comment? 00:49:39
Good morning, commissioners. Mark Salvo with the Real Estate Group, 2005 Howard Smith Ave. E, Windsor, Co Again, just would like 00:49:52
to echo what the group has been saying here. Look forward to the upcoming stakeholder process. And just want to note that you know 00:49:58
of the things that we own and control about 300 acres are within the county and because of some existing agreements could make 00:50:05
annexing to local municipalities challenging and that is industrial and commercial property. So this is not just a residential 00:50:11
issue but also. 00:50:18
Industrial and commercial. So we're looking forward to be part of the process as it's laid out going forward. Thank you. 00:50:25
Appreciate you participating. OK. Any other public comment? 00:50:33
Good morning, Commissioners. Councillor Beckford with AD Professionals, 3050 67th Ave. Greeley Co. 00:50:43
We're in support of moving the subdivision changes in the PD simultaneously. 00:50:50
And would request that you're not bifurcate them. We understand that the path for what the subdivision changes might take hasn't 00:50:56
really been fully formed. 00:51:01
And so we will be prudent to wait until we have those stakeholder meetings and let the community get a real feel. 00:51:06
For what has also been happened with the subdivision codes would be the responsible way to to pursue this matter. Thank you. 00:51:14
Any other public comment? 00:51:22
OK. So you know further public comment, I will close that. I will bring it back to the board for any further discussion. 00:51:27
Further discussion. 00:51:36
I've asked for a stakeholder. 00:51:38
And or at least a public works session discuss all three chapters at once that has been denied. 00:51:41
That should have been done prior to this first hearing. My feeling is that this hold up is is really suspending private property 00:51:48
rights, especially if you consider that money is time. 00:51:53
And which is basically a form of inverse condemnation. 00:51:59
And holding the guillotine over a common development product. So I will be a note today on any continuances. I'll be another day 00:52:04
period on this first reading. 00:52:08
I think we should have had that stakeholder meeting ahead of time. 10 homes is not Urban Development and this has nothing to do 00:52:14
with cable TV. 00:52:17
This is about farmers. This is about people who are providing those products. And I'll just remind you of PUD is enshrined in law 00:52:21
in Colorado Tile 24. Some of the things it says is in the legislative declaration. 00:52:28
Has encouraged innovations in residential, commercial and industrial and development. 00:52:36
And renewals, that the growing demands of the population may be met by a greater variety and design, type and layout of buildings, 00:52:41
and also to lessen the burden of traffic on the streets and highways, especially if you can situate certain things close where 00:52:45
people can work. 00:52:50
Close to where they live. Those innovations may not have been tested as much in Weld County because we are still somewhat of a 00:52:55
rural county, but that time is changing and people are demanding a different type of product. I would say that these are not 00:53:01
antiquated since they're using all the counties around us. It isn't state law. I don't think we should declare that this moment in 00:53:07
time, I'm not willing to get rid of a product that people, obviously. 00:53:12
Intend to use for the best and highest use of their property and as well County, we've always encouraged that. We've always 00:53:19
encouraged options. 00:53:23
So with that, I'm going to be a number on anything other than denial. 00:53:28
Of the structuring code. 00:53:33
And I appreciate your comments on that Commissioner saying and I'm going to go back to it was director Tom Parker, the king does 00:53:36
in a work session and said feedies are an advocated process. We need to get this out of our code. We need to move on with this. 00:53:41
That was his recommendation, not mine. 00:53:46
And so. 00:53:53
We have a lot of confidence in what time does and what he says to us and I'm taking his recommendation and as I said earlier, this 00:53:54
is his first reading. There's plenty of opportunities for this completely. The changes we go through and it makes sense. We've 00:54:00
always done this. We have a first reading through our first reading and then we go our board sessions and stakeholder means and we 00:54:05
figure out where it is we need to go. So I would be supporting this this morning. 00:54:10
Mr. James Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think this is an overdue conversations conversation we need to have because what we're talking 00:54:16
about is a heart soul of well County, what we want Weld County to look like. 00:54:22
And as Commissioner saying said at one time this was solely a rural county and trust me, parts where you live and up and beyond 00:54:28
still is a rural county. But my neck of the woods there is a a changing sediment and so I do believe that we need to to find a 00:54:34
way. 00:54:40
As director, Parker recommended perhaps few days. Not the way, but what I don't think is right of of this board or any other 00:54:48
governmental entity is to create uncertainty. 00:54:54
I have been proud of the government that I've been a part of, including this one, but in in Johnstown, as a planning Commissioner 00:54:59
of of a council member and a mayor to to make sure that the process that we created was predictable and certain. 00:55:05
Business thrives in predictability and uncertainty, so we need to get to a point where our process is predictable and certain. 00:55:12
And provides. 00:55:21
The housing needs that are demanded by the market now there is so much consternation and conversation about urban style 00:55:23
subdivisions and I pulled up our comprehensive plan and it's right here in front of me exactly what you said those are, Mr. 00:55:28
Freeman. It's more specific urban scale residential government belongs to municipalities airport, the county shell. Discourage. 00:55:33
That's it. Forbid. 00:55:37
Shall discourage residential developments with more than nine lots or overlay density. 00:55:42
These are the conversations that we need to have because Weld County as it currently stands is not geared to provide those urban 00:55:48
services. We've seen it provided in Douglas County and parts of Jefferson County, but well County is not there and we need to have 00:55:53
extensive conversation amongst the Board of County Commissioners and with our municipalities and and with with with the 00:55:59
stakeholders as to what. 00:56:04
What is? 00:56:10
I believe we should move towards. 00:56:13
Reading the the plan development from our code, that is the recommendation of our of our department, the department head. I also 00:56:16
think that it's irresponsible to to create that kind of. 00:56:23
That unpredictability, that uncertainty that we see puts folks on pins and needles. I I asked Tom put together this this 00:56:30
stakeholder work session. It's not even work session to the stakeholder meeting. 00:56:35
On 12/21, thanks Tom, for getting that accommodated. Please come so we can hear from you and have those conversations and I'm 00:56:40
certain it won't be the only conversation that we have. 00:56:45
And Commissioner James, I don't disagree with you at all, and you've been there not quite as long as you. 00:57:25
But we have consistently opportunities on first meeting and then right back in the if we continue the pipeline on the movement of 00:57:33
this, I think we continue that pipeline ordinance probably for over a year. 00:57:38
Let me get whoever actually got through the end of that. So I don't have a problem with that. But I think it's only fair that it's 00:57:45
amateur and it's a proven patient and a conversation can then go forward and that's we're on that. And my I say that there's been 00:57:52
a lot of talk about public process. What we're doing today is the is the proper public prize. Brooks actions are certainly open to 00:57:59
the public but they are not to but this is the public process is noticeable and this is the public process. 00:58:06
And what we do today is, is important and that's why in this public meeting we can say 1221 is a stakeholder meeting, Tom. I hope 00:58:14
we'll put together more after that so we can continue to have that ongoing conversation. 00:58:19
With our municipalities, with our stakeholders and I, I could ramble on and on, but I do want to mention the CPA and we have all 00:58:25
talked about how darned important that is to make sure that we have those conversations with our 32 or 33 municipalities where 00:58:33
we're at now to make sure that we dance well with them as well. Yes, commissioners, just I wanted to go on the record that yes, my 00:58:40
recommendation this whole time was to remove planning and developments from the code. 00:58:47
But that was. 00:58:55
Assuming that we were going to replace the planning and developments with the major subdivision process. 00:58:57
I've been moving along for a better part of two years. 00:59:05
Until we figure out the rest of it, but I think that it's important that we get that on the table and done like we've all the same 00:59:40
process we've always done around here. 00:59:44
Well, and I feel. 00:59:49
As far as the stakeholder meetings, the municipalities need to be at the table. I mean, this is as much to do with them. 00:59:53
As it has the county, because I'm not gonna get enough competition. 01:00:01
With this subdivision that well counties doing versus what the municipalities are doing. So we have got to be in concert And so 01:00:05
that is probably what I'm hoping to get out of this more than anything. 01:00:11
Commission, and I just want to reiterate, this is not also providing water or sewer to anyone at all, so I just want to make sure 01:00:20
that comment is on the record. 01:00:25
We discourage, but also again as you say, don't prohibit if somebody in like we just had somebody talk to us today about having 01:00:32
water and sewer already available. 01:00:37
So that they can develop their their land. 01:00:43
Essentially what what you're doing is when you're holding up that development. 01:00:48
People cannot. 01:00:54
Like they would in a process if we still allowed that particular development to move forward. 01:00:56
The right and just to don't know on this today and then continue to have our conversations. Otherwise again you're taking away 01:01:03
somebody's ability to develop their property in highest and best use. So no, this is not like other ordinances, Mr. Chair. 01:01:09
We do a lot of ordinances that have nothing to do with keeping people from developing their land and the way that they see fit 01:01:16
that will benefit other human beings. That's why we encourage development, that's why we've always encouraged development. So I 01:01:22
would say this is not like the others. And yes, we've had stakeholder sessions before. We have gone to a first reading. So again, 01:01:28
I would encourage a no vote on this. First reading coordinates 20/23/18. In fact, I'll make that motion now well and and I'll and 01:01:34
that's fine. 01:01:40
And and that and based on that you're also going to have to go back and completely and change our comp plan because our comp plan 01:01:46
is specifically says Urban Development belongs in municipalities, it's in our comp plan and you report that. 01:01:53
Not have a good definition of urban, apparently if Ten homes is considered urban, but that's wrong. 01:01:59
So, Commissioner Ross, I'm sorry. 01:02:06
Best and highest used referred to multiple times this morning, my understanding of best and highest use. It's a definition brought 01:02:40
forth by the Realtors association, and it refers to what that property is currently zoned for. 01:02:47
See, nothing guarantees something needs to change their zone or change their use outside of what it's currently zoned for. So when 01:02:54
we look at that and it's just like anybody coming forth to us when they want to rezone their property or or change the use of it, 01:03:00
that's not a guarantee, that's not a right. It's asking for a change compared to what they have. So that's why we go through this 01:03:06
whole process to make sure it's harmonious with the area, make sure we're setting up proper planning for not just today but for 01:03:12
the long term view. 01:03:18
Of the county, so it will keep well county growing. 01:03:25
Keep it vibrant and make sure it is done right. I think to echo your sentiments, Mr. Chair, so that when it's 20 years down the 01:03:28
road or 40 years down the road, we don't have commissioners going, what in the blankety blank were those folks thinking, right, 01:03:35
because this is this is not working. So it's important that we set up future success. The other part of that because of this urban 01:03:43
scale development when you go to the comp plan under Section 22230 B 3. 01:03:51
It is very particular in that saying that we need to force them to the municipalities when we're looking at large scale urban 01:03:59
scale residential development. So it is imperative, which I'll echo Commissioner James''s comments that we get those Cpas, those 01:04:05
IGA with our municipalities review strengthened. Mr. Parker, who I talked to you about this in previous meetings, right. This is 01:04:11
imperative because this is how we make sure we're conforming with the area, how that area looks. It's not the heavy hand of the 01:04:18
county striking. 01:04:24
Areas for what they're going to look like or not look like in that regard without being respectful of our communities that are 01:04:31
around there. So I think those are imperative, but this is that process that we get kicked off so that we can have everybody at 01:04:36
the table. 01:04:41
Get their opinions right, think of stuff we haven't thought of, think of stuff planning department hasn't thought of and make sure 01:04:47
it's under consideration as we move this forward. So I I think it is important that we that we continue on the first reading. I do 01:04:54
like the extension at least until March, March 4th. So we can do it if we need to. We extend it out even further like we've done 01:05:02
on on other issues so that it's not a rush but this process gets started with not a small room of people. 01:05:09
That may have heard about a work session, but as large a group as we can so that we get that that feedback in place. Now what I do 01:05:17
get? 01:05:22
Nervous Commissioner James, I heard you talk about uncertainty, right? Is just that uncertainty that we have right now, right? 01:05:27
You, you, you, you may or may not know. You know, I came from that that development world to a degree and and developers do get 01:05:34
uncertain with finances, right, when we look at it so. 01:05:41
I want to make sure we are certain and I don't want to put dollars in jeopardy because. 01:05:48
It is possible. You need to consider. 01:05:53
What we do at this moment? 01:05:57
So that we don't have somebody bring forth a plan. 01:06:00
Tomorrow or this afternoon, whenever that's not going to be consistent with hopefully what we're doing. So I think we need to take 01:06:03
that into consideration as we move forward with this so that we aren't jeopardizing, jeopardizing those dollars, right. And so I 01:06:08
mean. 01:06:14
If we need to consider a pending ordinance, Dr. Maybe that's something we need to consider as well so that we don't jeopardize 01:06:20
those dollars or those projects. Why we're getting this run. I would fully support that as well. And I think, Bruce, you said you 01:06:24
had the language for that. 01:06:29
To all of you, it's the language that would be added. I think on page 17. The ordinance is another. 01:06:33
Be it further Ord. 01:06:42
Provision analysis sent a copy to. 01:06:45
And to clerk to the board. 01:06:49
OK. 01:06:55
OK, so we so you need a motion to. 01:06:57
1st ordinance, 2023 Dash. 01:07:03
07. 01:07:11
OK, give me one more second. That does for lack of a second, I will come back to another motion. 01:07:13
Thank you, Chair. 01:07:20
I move we approve first reading of Code Ordinance 2O23-18 in the matter of repealing and reenacting with amendments Chapter 27, 01:07:23
Planned Unit Development of the Well County Code. 01:07:28
Second, by Commissioner Ross to approve and I said. 01:07:41
Commissioner James, A question about to the the POD POD language that the attorney sent. 01:07:49
Do we need to amend our ordinance to to be inclusive of that? 01:07:57
I think you need you've got the motion the second I think you need a motion to amend it to include that, for example, for exactly 01:08:02
what Mr. Ross said, so that you don't get people's money involved in this until they actually get this sorted out. 01:08:08
I will amend my motion. 01:08:17
To include that language on page 17. 01:08:20
You know, and I can read this in if you go ahead. Thank you, you're through. Resolved by the Board. The Defending Ordinance 01:08:24
document is recognized by the Colorado Court of Appeals in the case of Fred and Diamond versus Hazler 41 Colorado App. Two, 35585, 01:08:31
P 2 D 928 Colorado Application 1978 shall apply to this ordinance 2023 Dash 18 and the Royal County Department of Planning 01:08:39
Services hereby directed at beginning this day of first reading. 01:08:46
December 4th, 2023 and accepted no applicants to change the zoning to append pending the outcome of this ordinance 2023 Dash 18. 01:08:54
You need to move the better amend. 01:09:03
I moved to accept the amended amendment or the motion. 01:09:05
I moved by Commissioner Box, second by Commissioner Ross to include the pending ordinance. Dr. Do you have any further discussion? 01:09:13
Please do everything else. No. I would just need a vote on that first and then a vote on the other motion. 01:09:20
We'll first have, we'll first have a motion on the amendment. 01:09:27
For the pending ordinance document. 01:09:32
We. 01:09:35
Yes, if this is the mind PUD is based on the outcome of this ordinance, yes, I'm going to be able to. Well, it's not, it's this is 01:09:38
the motion to include the Penny Board in this document. Roll call please. 01:09:42
Sky. 01:09:48
I despise the POD. 01:09:52
No. 01:09:55
Kevin. 01:09:56
Yes. What are you saying? No, carry back. Yes. Mike Freeman, Yes. OK. The payment, and I understand that yesterday I give it, but 01:09:58
this is one of the situations where I think we're protecting people. So the fellow knows doctrine passes on us. For you to vote 01:10:05
now I need a motion to approve the resolution as amended with attending doctrine. 01:10:11
Depending ordinance, doctrine included. 01:10:19
I move to approve. 01:10:23
Second, then move back Commissioner Brock. Second by Commissioner Ross to approve. 01:10:24
Commission. 01:10:31
Everything I said, I believe and I believe in the process that we're getting there, I just. 01:10:33
I have. I struggled with pod. I therefore will not be. 01:10:38
But you spoke, but I I believe in what we've discussed today and how we're going to get there. 01:10:43
Scott, James. 01:10:50
Kevin Ross, Yes. What are you saying? No payback? Yes, Mike Freeman, not that I reflect that the ordinance passes on the three, 01:10:52
two vote. 01:10:56
Any further comments from anybody that I see no further business. We will don't wait. I'm sorry, we won't adjourn. We were in 01:11:02
planning and we will go to public comment. Is anybody in the public that wishes to come up and speak to the commissioner for up to 01:11:06
3 minutes? It's not on our agenda. 01:11:11
My name is Joe Grant and I'm from Gray. So what happened just a while back I was at the Greeley City Council meeting that I was, I 01:11:29
kind of went a little bit early. My really, I was in one of the seats and I kept moving back, moving back, moving back because the 01:11:34
place kept filling up with people from super. 01:11:39
And I thought, that's what's all the people doing. They have issues here for. They had a big deal. Just a couple of miles West of 01:11:45
here. The city wanted to annex Cedar Lake. The people from Cedar Lake were there. Apparently they didn't want the. 01:11:52
So I asked that agreement Why? Why aren't the people in Sydney want to join up with me? I mean, I think **** Marper used to live 01:11:59
out there. 01:12:02
That apparently one of the city people told me. Well, because those people get all sorts of city services and they don't pay for. 01:12:07
Where they have the city tax structure that other people get. I know well, I guess it's you know if you can get on that greater 01:12:14
trade, it's OK, but this is going to be an issue as. 01:12:18
I think, Commissioner Buchanan, are so many cities are going to have to participate in this. This is not just going to be somebody 01:12:24
from like Ed Grant from Baker School area or the CV Lake people or something. If you're going to try to do this, you're going to 01:12:29
have to have a lot more stakeholders than you think, probably. Thank you. 01:12:34
OK. Any other public comment? 01:12:41
OK. Seeing none, we will adjourn at 1012. Thanks everybody. 01:12:43
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